r/Damnthatsinteresting 9d ago

550 foot tall building with no windows in lower Manhattan, New York City Removed: R6

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u/[deleted] 9d ago edited 9d ago

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u/Eisenkopf69 9d ago

It is the MIB headquarter.

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u/Several_Range245 9d ago

Shit, Forgot to flash your memory, coming soon

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u/snowbongo 9d ago

“K, how many times have you flashy-thinged me?”

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u/Then_Investigator_17 9d ago

none.

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u/Dismal-Preference-66 9d ago

I ain't playin' ! How many ?

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u/TestDangerous7240 9d ago

Hey!

Old guy!!!!

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u/StraightProgress5062 9d ago

Hey, come on now. You get a series 4 deatomizer and I get a midget cricket!?

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u/Spacecommander5 9d ago

*Noisy cricket, but yeah

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u/charisma6 9d ago

The gun is called a Noisy Cricket, but in the line they quoted, he calls it a midget cricket

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u/BallDesperate2140 9d ago

Feel like I’m gonna break this damn thing

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u/StonedPussyeater420 9d ago

I flashed some people the other day, not sure why cops took me away..

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u/sumbozo1 9d ago

You're the reason we can't see Dublin any more!!

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u/raz_the_kid0901 9d ago

That damn thing is going to give her brain damage

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u/MouldyEjaculate 9d ago

It's clearly The Oldest House.

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u/YappyMcYapperson 9d ago

Look for the Finnish Janitor with the colorful personality

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u/MouldyEjaculate 9d ago

Something something Perkele

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u/Hardly_lolling 9d ago

Don't have piss in your sock

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u/Esguelha 9d ago

I can't tell if you're being serious, but this is the actual building the Oldest House is based on.

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u/MouldyEjaculate 9d ago

Absolutely serious!

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u/trustfulcamel 9d ago

Was my first thought as well xD

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u/fatalicus 9d ago

The Oldest House is next door (like realy, it has the address 34 Thomas Street)

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u/adamsorkin 9d ago

Across the street, surely ;)

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u/Eldan985 9d ago

No, it's the FBC's Oldest House.

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u/linkingvowel 9d ago

No, the MiB headquarters is the Manhattan ventilation building for the Brooklyn–Battery Tunnel. It’s down by the Battery. It was designed to look like a granite monument to address locals’ objections to the original design. (See article top right).

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u/LuckyNumbrKevin 9d ago

It's even the Bureau of Control HQ in Control.

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u/DavidM47 9d ago

It’s the NSA’s building in reality, but definitely the MIB building too.

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u/zeroconflicthere 9d ago

Its cruel to not let servers have some sunlight.

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u/CasualEveryday 9d ago

I was just thinking that you could tell every employee they have a corner office to improve morale.

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u/Lots42 Interested 9d ago

I was watching a scary movie and I knew the boss was in on the scares because the junior employee got a really cool office with a really cool view.

Suspicious.

If this is how spoilers work, it was The Unseen starring RJ Mitte.

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u/BigHarmonious 9d ago

I’m pretty sure it’s a vampire condo.

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u/Dopplegangr1 9d ago

Does it have vampire raves with a blood-filled fire-suppression system?

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u/WinIll755 9d ago

God I miss the 90's

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u/Maleficent-Aspect318 9d ago

Remember when vampires were badass, very gory movies and very brutal.

Everything changed when twilight attacked with whiney sparkly "vampires" and big dogs as werewolfes... God i still dont know why people watched that shit

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u/BigHarmonious 9d ago

Have you watched those movies? They’re fucking hilarious. The acting is comically awful.

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u/Pookieeatworld 9d ago

The source material is comically awful.

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u/entity_response 9d ago edited 9d ago

It's a central office (edit: ok, in common telco vernacular, this is not a “classic” regulated CO offering local access services, thanks for pointing that out), which used to mainly be full of telephone switches (4 ESS) and all the access equipment required to bring calls in. I've been in many COs in my life, not this one, but they are all the same. Over time, switches have gotten smaller, although I'd bet a lot of the OSP (outside plant) cabling is still intact in the lower floors. Probably quite a lot of longhaul DWDM equipment in here now.

It was not meant for servers, and given the heat dissipation requirements, it will never be, although I would guess verizon (who has part of this building) and ATT have a small amount of colo in there for certain customers.

Edit: longlines sites are fascinating. Check out the old landing station for the TAT14 submarine cable on Cable Drive in Tuckerton NJ (tat14 is no longer used).

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u/elaphros 9d ago

Much of the long-haul and other telecom equipment is also housed a block away in the old Western Union building at 60 Hudson.

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u/entity_response 9d ago edited 9d ago

Yes, I've been in 60 Hudson many times (hundreds?)(and 32 AoA and 111 8th). All of these have a mixture of longhaul, peering, and collocation for serving. But since this is a CO, and falls under FCC rules for any regulated services being offered, it's a bit different. There might be some small collocation here for servers, but also for any unbundled network elements that verizon is required to offer competitive carriers access to (for the small amount of verizon space in this building).

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u/TheTVDB 9d ago

I interned for one of the baby Bell companies in the late 90s. Got to tour a couple of COs as part of that. One had windows in the past, and someone had shot through the window and directly into one of the million dollar switches. So they simply cemented over every window. Phone network equipment doesn't need sunlight or bullets.

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u/entity_response 9d ago

Yes, Bellcore published the NEBS (Network Equipment Building Standards), still used today, to standardize the design of everything, building and equipment. Down to how many lumens of light needs to be in each maintenance aisle. Or exactly how to drop an equipment chassis to test if it’s robust enough. It’s really fun to read and see how well engineered everything was. In the end a lot of it was overly build and expensive so NEBS isn’t used for buildings unless it’s regulated. As I recall there are like 17 volumes? It’s been a while.

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u/Citizen_of_RockRidge 9d ago

I took a great photo back in the early 2000s. To get it, I had to go right up to the "lobby" doors and shoot straight up. However, I was very close to the doors and several security personnel were dispatched to see what I was up to.

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u/Nubras 9d ago

This tracks - there is a building in Dallas, also AT&T, that looks a lot like this.

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u/IThinkMyLegsRBroke 9d ago

These buildings are data centers and built this way mainly to be bomb / blast proof / weather / anything else that may be a danger. They are all over and one actually got attacked in TN a few years ago.

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u/Nubras 9d ago

Oh shit I remember that TN attack now that you mention it!

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u/KirbyDumber88 9d ago

what happened?

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u/Nubras 9d ago

Someone blew up an RV in Nashville outside of an AT&T data center that resulted in a days-long service outage.

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u/Card_Board_Robot5 9d ago

On Christmas

He left behind a bunch of writings about conspiracies involving telecoms companies.

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u/CmonRedditBeBetter 9d ago

Oh shit... I never heard that the guy had an actual target. I remember thinking it was strange that he seemed to have just damaged some random restaurants and small businesses.

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u/aruegger 9d ago

Is it 100p NSA. I worked right next to and tried to go in after hearing about Titanpointe. If you're ever near there give it a shot, never been thrown out of a building faster.

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u/Tall_Aardvark_8560 9d ago

Let's bum rush it like what area 51 was supposed to be.

Jk nsa. Don't disappear me.

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u/-widget- 9d ago

I mean, won't you be thrown out of most secure buildings if you don't have a reason to be there? Doesn't necessarily mean it's NSA.

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u/counterweight7 9d ago

There are a few office floors here too. I worked, once in awhile, in this building :)

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u/Cowboywizzard 9d ago

What was it like working for the NSA?

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u/Ok-Panda-2368 9d ago

Tell us more. 

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u/counterweight7 9d ago

It has a few floors of ATT employees, most of the building is equipment, switching equipment or other.

The office is quite boring as there are no windows or vitamin D.

But you sort of feel like you’re working in a castle.

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u/Dogstar23 9d ago

"server" building...

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u/Flux_resistor 9d ago

it is, it stores all your comms to let the govt know what sick shit you're into

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u/DarthHrunting 9d ago

The sickest shit is wanting them to know. I hope they're watching. You fucking like that Agent Smith? Huh? Does that make your cock hard, you nasty fuck?

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u/Flux_resistor 9d ago

you like it when i type in the same boring 5 websites everyday to waste my miserable life away big boy? do you?

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u/cantadmittoposting 9d ago

you go to five different websites?

Man diversity really is the spice of life i guess.

I'm lucky if i make it to five different subreddits

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u/TraditionalThem 9d ago

I mean...

What do you think modern day surveillance depends upon?

Whether you're hosting a minecraft server or collecting the data of every American extra-judiciously it's all happening from a server rack.

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u/wafodumebeseraw 9d ago

what will they do if a fire breaks out? firefighter's worst nightmare

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u/liarandathief 9d ago

I bet there's an amazing fire suppression system.

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u/user_uno 9d ago

These use a halon fire suppression system.

Originally most central offices had zero fire protection. Water sprinkler systems could be ruinous. But that evolved after the Hinsdale CO fire back in the 80's (a Chicago suburb). Wiped out everything and cut off comms for a number of burbs a long, long time.

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u/Previous-Seat 9d ago

The last few data centres I’ve been in have done away with Halon because they are more damaging to the equipment than water surprisingly. I was just in Seattle last month and saw what one of the companies up there is doing with fully submersible servers…very cool.

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u/Garestinian 9d ago

Carbon dioxide can also be used.

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u/Sharkbait_ooohaha 9d ago

I don’t know NY State code but believe it or not, federal fire code still requires wet sprinkler system in server rooms. Usually you have a halon type system to put out any fire before the sprinklers activate but the wet pipe is still the primary system with the halon type as optional.

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u/Gamerthu1hu 9d ago

Pretty sure if that's an NSA data hub then they don't give a hoot about local building codes.

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u/Sweaty-Crazy-3433 9d ago

This. The data center where I work has multiple, redundant back-up fire systems. It’s a wild, complicated system that makes it next to impossible for the building to completely burn down or even really take significant fire damage to the structure or equipment.

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u/No-Key1904 9d ago

I work inside data centers and you'd be surprised. They won't allow wood or cardboard inside the data halls to help avoid electrical fires. Each data hall has fireproofing between the walls, which are concrete, to help avoid a complete structural fire. They also practice fire drills on a semi annual basis.

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u/e2hawkeye 9d ago edited 9d ago

Yeah I visited one and I was curious on why we had to break down the cardboard boxes at the loading dock before bringing anything in, I wasn't thinking about flammable materials.

There's a lot of these centers in Northern Virginia. If you visit one you better have your paperwork and inside contacts in order and do not explore outside of your assigned area. There are facility guards with carbines, not pistols and the larger companies often have their own security on top of that.

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u/Efficient_Gas_3213 9d ago

I expect the inside is just a sparse as the outside. All concrete walls, ceiling and floors, and just the switches and servers that might catch fire. There is really not much to burn. The stairwells would be pressurized, so easy to get out in an emergency.

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u/Loose-Cauliflower-39 9d ago

The inside would have been full of clicking switches in the 1960s-70s. (based on memories of telephone exchanges from that era, not the No Such Agency). They kept the buildings, although the equipment evolved to not need as much space.

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u/FanciestOfPants42 9d ago

There are actually tons of batteries that could very violently burn, however there are excellent fire suppression systems in place.

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u/dasnotitmanedasit 9d ago

Windows will actually feed the fire more than without. If you’re thinking from a accessibility point of view typically firefighters aren’t doing anything from the outside of the building in a high rise building like that.

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u/Actual-Jury7685 9d ago

Fire needs oxygen. Windows are major food sources for them.

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u/Abject_Film_4414 9d ago

Fires love it when air fenestrates.

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u/TajMonjardo 9d ago

I've walked past this building many times and wondered what the fuck was in there? I had dubious suspicions, your explanation is much more benign than my expectations. Thanks for the answer!

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u/RedditOakley 9d ago

Casual reminder that TITANPOINTE is one of the things Snowden shed a light on, is exceedingly illegal, they lied about it to congress, but instead of getting arrested themselves they swooped the controversy under a carpet and ousted Snowden from the country.

This is one of a few spots where all your online and phone data passes through if you are American, and they can read and listen to everything you do from there.

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u/Cory123125 9d ago

Its really sad what tech has turned into.

Even on a non government level, now your hardware manufacturer builds in inaccessible systems into all of your devices purely to benefit other companies.

Arm Trustzone is an example but its everywhere by different names, where a company can for instance, get access to encryption capabilities you cannot access on your own device and do god knows what with basically any data they want.

"Well I just wont run that software"

Oh, you wont run any current web browser?

Depressing.

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u/jld2k6 Interested 9d ago edited 9d ago

The crazy thing about this is in the early 2000's before Snowden I was reading about the At&t worker who discovered the room they weren't allowed access to with the splice where all the info "splits" to the NSA and disappears behind a locked area, was pretty weird reading something that crazy then having exactly what they were alleging was happening confirmed years later

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u/ImportanceAlone4077 9d ago

Aah, the Oldest House

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u/_Emti 9d ago

Follow the Director 🎵

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u/Ottrygg89 9d ago

Else you're gonna slide into the void

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u/DavideoGamer55 9d ago

But should your towers fall, 🎵

Free your mind and heed the call, 🎵

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u/Derice 9d ago

Go to the projector, 🎵

Load another slide into the void 🎵

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u/two-memes-a-day 9d ago

But should you world collapse and fall right off the maps🎵

Go to the director or you’ll slide into the void🎵

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u/R_99M 9d ago

the very first thing that came to mind.

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u/boris_keys 9d ago

The Oldest House was actually inspired by this building.

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u/R_99M 9d ago

Thanks for the nice little fact. always good to know sometime new.

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u/Tin_OSpam 9d ago

Now I need to find the song from the ashtray maze again. So good!

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u/Dr4g0ss 9d ago

That would be Take Control by Old Gods of Asgard!

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u/CressCrowbits 9d ago

Also known as Poets Of The Fall

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u/Jackviator 9d ago edited 9d ago

And that’s not even the only song of theirs you can find in the game :)

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u/CressCrowbits 9d ago

And there's all the stuff in the Alan Wake games

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u/Long-Cocksmith 9d ago

Is that the part where you just wreck shit to Norwegian death metal or whatever?

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u/Tin_OSpam 9d ago

That's the bit! Genuinely don't think I've ever had a feeling of absolute power in a game like it, before or since

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u/Wynter_born 9d ago

It's from the game Control for anyone else who was confused.

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u/FoxDandD 9d ago

Which means OP was looking for it…

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u/smoomoo31 9d ago

HOW TO HANDLE UNSCHEDULED VISITORS ENTERING THE LOBBY

Start with the following:

"Welcome to the Federal Bureau of Control, established in 1964 as part of an effort to strengthen government relations. We are proud to serve the United States and her people as we strive for transparency and excellence in all aspects of our esteemed nation’s infrastructure."

If they do not leave, then ask them these questions:

  1. Are you here to see someone?

  2. Are you from New York City or just visiting?

3, How'd you find this place?

If their answers are sufficiently harmless, explain that this is a secure federal office and that they'll need to leave.

If their answers seem [REDACTED] escort them to a private room. There, perform the Gunnars Psychological Assessment. If their responses are within the acceptable range of deviance (see the provided scoring sheet) then [REDACTED] immediately.

Remember: There’s no such thing as too suspicious!

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u/Clicks_thatsnoice 9d ago

I was literally gonna comment this lol

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u/Acesofbases 9d ago

wanted to post it but someone got the situation under control before me

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u/cardbor 9d ago

that game fuckin ruled shit

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u/cheekeong001 9d ago

look like someone finally notice it! is the FBC getting sloppy again?

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u/CaspydaGhost 9d ago

According to another commenter, this is the AT&T skyscraper at 33 Thomas Street, which Remedy has cited as a major inspiration for the Oldest House’s design.

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u/Fine-Ganache-2442 9d ago

This was my first thought...

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u/Garbeg 9d ago

Earlier in the comments someone referenced the address, 33 Thomas Street. Check the Oldest House’s address in game.

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u/Eagle9972 9d ago

YOU ARE A WORM THROUGH TIME

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u/Kronzo888 9d ago

So glad I wasn't the only one who immediately thought of Control.

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u/nooneknowsme9 9d ago

This is pretty much what I imagined the Ministry of Love from 1984 looks like

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u/AcrobaticDamage3326 9d ago

War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength

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u/SuDragon2k3 9d ago

And Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania.

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u/2rfv 9d ago

And there is no war in Ba Sing Sae.

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u/Peac3keeper14 9d ago

And you apply head-on directly to the forehead.

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u/RetroRocker 9d ago

The ministry buildings are all explicitly described as 300m tall pyramids, though

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u/begynnelse 9d ago

Tbf, insisting the building is a pyramid when it is clearly a different shape altogether would be very on message for 1984.

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u/DeMonstaMan 9d ago

It's always been circular

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u/begynnelse 9d ago

Yep, just like this □

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u/rogerm3xico 9d ago

That response wasn't just plusgood it was downright doubleplusgood.

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u/Raging-Badger 9d ago

Confirmed, Bass Pro Shops is 1984

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u/Tone-Serious 9d ago

Oldspeak ungood rectify ante thinkpol unperson

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u/Officialtjobo 9d ago

They running linux not windows.

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u/Zetsumenchi 9d ago

Take your damn upvote.

I hope the next time you order a sandwich they fucking stack it like bread->bread->filler.

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u/Rory-Flenderson 9d ago

Love me a good open faced sandwich!

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u/Xaphans-shadow 9d ago

FBC

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u/Aerodim101 9d ago

Came here for the Control comment. Was not disappointed.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

Just remember the “Rule of Threes” applies when you get in there. Everything should be just fine.

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u/solacir18 9d ago

🎶TAKE! CONTROL!🎶

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u/[deleted] 9d ago edited 9d ago

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u/mattchinn 9d ago edited 9d ago

They’re definitely collecting user data here no?

Edit: Man, this building is so powerful it sucks your data from your phone just by walking nearby.

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u/UnpleasantMule4 9d ago

This building was mentioned in the leaks from Snowden. 100%

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u/Mediocre-Ad-6847 9d ago

Gah.. I think what I hate about the Snowden thing is that the 2600 magazine/clubs had already called everything out years before he did, and no one listened.

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u/Mediocre-Ad-6847 9d ago

I wish I still had the physical magazine. I remember a reader letter in the 2600 magazine from an AT&T tech talking about the cables the NSA ran into all the hubs. This was at least 5 years prior to Snowden having his thing.

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u/OverthrowingMars 9d ago

Lookup Mark Klein. AT&T whistle-blower from roughly 5 years prior to Snowden. I assume who you're thinking of.

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u/Snuhmeh 9d ago

They had literal prisms to reflect the optical trunk lines into their data collection equipment as it passed through the regular equipment. So it was a passive system that gathered everything at once and they could sift through looking for what they want, even after the fact.

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u/Bah-Fong-Gool 9d ago

They don't have to beam split anymore. I'm sure they do when convenient but for tapping undersea fiber, they open up a repeater assembly where the fiber is bare. They put a device over the individual strand of fiber they wish to tap and it induces a bend, allowing a small portion if the light to escape the fiber core and enter the sensor. The loss from the bend in the fiber is negligible because under sea cables move a bit on the sea floor anyway, so there is always a bit of Flux on signal strength.

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u/ValuableJumpy8208 9d ago

They probably have rooms just like 641A: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

(Fiber intercept beam splitters so the NSA and other three-letter agencies can read every single thing that passes through it.)

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u/rockqc 9d ago

E Corp!

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u/was_wotsch 9d ago

Bonsoir, Elliot

Scrolled all the way down to find this

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u/jacobisgone- 9d ago

Mr. Robot needs to be referenced more in the world.

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u/Ms_ShizzleXD 9d ago

Yup. The real ones will know- I am Eliott (not really)

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u/superwhizz114 9d ago

*Evil Corp

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u/MillenialMonstrosity 9d ago

Elliott? That you over there?🥲

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u/ericjony 9d ago

goddamn, ppl on reddit take their opinion really really serious ig💀

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u/DiarrheaForDays 9d ago

I’m pretty sure it’s a bot someone made to coerce admins to get rid of the feature since right wingers seem to abuse it

Edit: yep confirmed lol got one as soon as I submitted the comment

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u/I_PUNCH_INFANTS 9d ago

the admins won't listen tho too busy adding useless features to the site.

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u/DiarrheaForDays 9d ago

Oh agreed. I tried to report whoever sent it to me. The app then asks me to log in via the in-app browser and I don’t remember my password and I used a burner email. I tried to reply STOP to stop any new messages from redditcares or whatever. It couldn’t send the message. I tried to block that account. That account couldn’t be blocked. Lol

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u/JimBean 9d ago

There's some shitty thing going around. I also got one. rabidBot

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u/JerryBigMoose 9d ago

edit: got a reddit cares message, what did i do💀

This is the second post today I've seen someone mention they got a Reddit cares message, and I got one myself today as well. Seems like something weird is going on because I hadn't seen any mention of those messages on here for a while now.

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u/ts_m4 9d ago

MIB HQ

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u/DocBirdLawOG 9d ago

I had to scroll too far to find this lol. It was my first thought

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u/TurtlePowerMutant 9d ago

The Oldest House

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u/Alex0ux 9d ago

Wtf you found the Oldest house

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u/Living_Winner_8161 9d ago

It was a CIA listening post for years now it's an AT&T data center. So it went from a government spy building to a corporate spy building lol

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u/Seals3051 9d ago

It was an nsa post and telecom building at same time

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u/OGistorian 9d ago

Brutalist architecture. All the rage in the 70s.

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u/lactoseadept 9d ago

It's aged quite well, to be fair

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u/vZander 9d ago

no that's E Corp's server building

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

Minitrue, Miniluv, Minipax, Miniplenty

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u/Drezhar 9d ago

That's the Federal Bureau of Control. I would honestly not advise getting in.

/s obviously

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u/Jerry0713 9d ago

Buildings like that tend to hold/mask utilities such as power-substations, data servers, or cellular infrastructure, basically just a husk built to blend into the downtown infrastructure and hide/keep safe the 'ugly' utility

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u/shane_west17 9d ago

MIB (Men in Black) building?

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u/Herr_Jott 9d ago edited 9d ago

AJ from whyfiles made a video about it. https://youtu.be/dSZvXgu7Q2Q?si=a0Vz6stxGfq9xKjm Edit: hope this link works.

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u/kerochan88 9d ago

Amazing YouTube channel.

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u/Aegis_of_perdition 9d ago

That's federal bureau of control

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u/Not_HAL_199 9d ago

MIB inconspicuous building

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u/saujamhamm 9d ago

the oldest house!

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u/DeathsPit00 9d ago

Someone found The Oldest House. The FBC is gonna freak. lol

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u/hashtagDALEY 9d ago

It’s the FBC building obviously.

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u/AaronDotCom 9d ago

Yeah, this dude gave me this card-

Down the elevator!

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u/Scroch65 9d ago

What the actual fuck. I just watched season 3 of Mr Robot and this building is used as a stand in for an evil corp building. What are the odds that someone randomly posts it just now, right after I finished season 3

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u/PMSoldier2000 9d ago

It used to be the AT&T Long Lines building. I don’t know what’s in there now.

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u/AreaXimus 9d ago

The Jaffa Factory!

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u/ThirstyBeagle 9d ago

MIB headquarters

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u/Ok-liberal 9d ago

Federal bureau of Control

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u/Theuneasygibbon 9d ago

The Oldest house

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u/Global_Project8730 9d ago

This is where Robert Neville should have set up shop in I Am Legend. Much easier to defend than a townhouse

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u/maxdeerfield2 9d ago

it is full of servers who don't care about the view from the windows.