r/WhitePeopleTwitter 28d ago

Get fact, Roger

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

Fuck these people who think it's okay to give money to the wealthy, but everybody else deserves to be poor.

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u/Forsaken-Standard527 28d ago

You need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. now excuse me while I stele your boots

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

you must use gold straps that are made by versace.

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u/Forsaken-Standard527 28d ago

no shit .right

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u/P1xelHunter78 27d ago

More like the Military grade bootstraps provided by taxpayer dollars

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u/Ciennas 28d ago

No, you're not seeing the correct paradigm. What good is being wealthy if you cannot compel others to labour under you?

By forgiving college debt, Biden is removing shackles that force people to put up with abusive employers.

Their are still others, of course. This is why they're freaking out about universal healthcare and basic income, as well as wage raises and wealth taxes.

The idea is to hoard all the good things in the world so that you have to come to them hat in hand and knee bowed to experience a taste of the good things we all need.

Giving everyone good lives directly goes against their demented sex fantasy of being an immortal godking.

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

I would like to believe all that and a lot of it might be true in some respect.

But the real reason that college is expensive today is because Ronald Reagan and his buddies recognized the cultural upheaval of the late '60s was due to the fact that many people were educated which allowed them to make enough money so that they didn't really have to think about money and so then they had time to think about what the government was doing.

By removing free and next to free colleges and also using the SAT/ACT testing they could keep most people who are not wealthy out of the good colleges or maybe even out of college altogether. The SAT/ACT tests are very susceptible to private tutoring but not everybody can afford private tutoring for their kids.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

and most people are forced to join the military, and go to community college, allows them more time to be exposed to right wing rhtetoric.

now the current problem with college is people are ditching it, or certain degrees are not resulting in jobs, in part due to competitiveness that job sites are making it.

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u/broseph_stalin09764 28d ago

Being in the military is what broke the right wing indoctrination I was subjected to growing up in a wealthy family. At this point, i just want to go a day without cursing Reagan.

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u/Ciennas 28d ago

You can mix it up by cursing Thatcher and Capitalism in general.

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u/broseph_stalin09764 28d ago

Thatcher was a fucking mistake made on the evening of her conception. And I don't ever stop cursing capitalism. That's normally how I start in on reagan. Trickle down?! The only thing that trickled down, is load after load in Nancy's throat.

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u/MJFields 28d ago

The most fucked up part is that when you give poor people money they spend it, benefitting the economy for everyone.

When you give rich people money, they just buy politicians to lower their taxes.

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

That's pretty f***** up, but you know what I think is more f***** up than that?

It's cheaper for rich people to buy politicians and to buy supreme Court justices than it is for them to pay their taxes.

And to make it even worse as soon as you start talking about that with Republicans the very first thing they say is some form of " won't anybody think about the poor Rich people that are being f*****" while they are struggling to pay their rent and buy food.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

and they launder it away in tax hanvens or overseas.

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u/MJFields 28d ago

Exactly!

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u/dragonfliesloveme 28d ago

That’s their main thing. Our tax dollars go them and their wealthy overlords. Not us.

Vote them out, vote blue all the way down. Democrats spend tax money on the tax payer

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u/cheekycheeksy 28d ago

But that's how they got rich and successful in the first place

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

There is no way to become a billionaire without f****** over thousands if not millions of people.

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u/Dizuki63 28d ago

Even if you were born year 0, worked every year of your life from birth until today making 1,000/hr worked 40 hour weeks and never took a day off or vacation. Never needed to eat, drink, or buy shelter. You just existed and accumulated wealth by your own labor for 2024 years. You still wouldn't even be close to the top 500 richest people. You cannot get rich without exploiting others.

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

Right, I heard that differently but same concept

$5,000 a day everyday = $150, 000 / month = $1.8 million / year

This is already a ridiculous sum of money that most people will never know.

If made this ever since Christopher Columbus discovered America in 1492 (2024-1492 = 532 years)

532 * $1,800,000 = $957,600,000

You would still not be a billionaire

$1 billion is it ridiculous sum of money that most people can't even understand.

Yet we have people like Elon musk worth almost 200 billion.

To become worth 200 billion instead of $5,000 a day you would need to make. $1 million dollars / day for 532 years.

Nobody should have that kind of money, especially when so many people in our country cannot afford a house or food.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

dint he recently fall as the richest man its now arnault or whatever his name is. i think overinflated his stocks too.

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

I don't know and I didn't care. To me the difference between $1 billion and $200 billion is not something I understand. Both are so far above me that it's not possible to get there.

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u/Dizuki63 27d ago

Yeah its the owner of louis vuitton. He owns the handbag company, a chinese clothing company, a jewelry company, and a yacht dealer. He's a real 1%er's 1%. Most people aren't even worthy to be his customers.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

or if you are born into that wealth too.

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u/MsSeraphim 27d ago

Vern Buchanan of Florida, Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, and Markwayne Mullin and Kevin Hern of Oklahoma — who it said had six- and seven-figure PPP loans forgiven as part of a federal program intended to help those harmed by the coronavirus.

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u/GhostOfConeDog 28d ago

Fuck these people who think it's okay to give money to people who have the advantage of a college education, but not other people who are struggling for any number of reasons.

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

I'm perfectly fine giving to every single citizen things like universal healthcare, a higher minimum wage, backing for unions.

This would make life better for every single person in our country.

But we don't have the money for that because wealthy people need it just in case they might need an extra yacht or a small country.

People like you who complain about this are missing the entire point. Are you asking for college loans not to be forgiven because if you can't get any of that money then fuck everybody else?

Are you the kind of person who would think it's unfair to find a cure for cancer now after so many people have died from it in the past?

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u/Kaida33 28d ago

Maybe they are the rich people who got PPPthat don't have to be paid back during the pandemic.

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u/GhostOfConeDog 28d ago

How is it different from you people whining about recipients of PPP loans? We're both objecting to a group of already privileged people receiving their own special handout that nobody else gets. If we're going to help out the poor or working class, let's do that. All of them. Not just a select few. Lots of people are struggling for lots of reasons. Lots of people with outstanding student loans aren't struggling at all. Why should they get a handout when poor people without a college education are struggling?

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

How is it different from you people whining about recipients of PPP loans?

Because most of the people who got PPP loans are already independently wealthy.

Do you know many people who have gotten a $1.5 million dollar loan forgiven?

How about people who have $1.5 million in school loans?

We're both objecting to a group of already privileged people receiving their own special handout that nobody else gets.

Lol you think people with a college degree are privileged? Where are you from, The deep South?

53.7% of people in America had a college degree in 2021.

Now I'll be the first to tell you that getting a college degree is supposed to allow you to make more money. It doesn't always work that way.

There are lots of people with a college degree that are not able to find employment in their field of study. And in addition to that, colleges have continued to charge more and more for degrees. And honestly this is only a temporary fix because the amount colleges are charging now is outrageous.

I had school loans and I have paid them all off. I get absolutely nothing out of this. But I recognize that many people were talked into getting loans without the understanding of what they would truly cost. This happened because school used to be far cheaper and the people telling you that you will be better off. Going to college had no idea that college had become so expensive.

You could have chosen to go to college if you wanted to

If we're going to help out the poor or working class, let's do that. All of them. Not just a select few.

I would be all for universal healthcare or other things that would help everybody.

I would also be for increasing the tax on the wealthy so that they pay the same percentage on their earnings as everybody else. Or better yet more than everybody else because it doesn't hurt them in the slightest.

Unfortunately, those two previous examples are almost universally hated by conservatives. As a matter of fact, conservatives really hate helping anybody but themselves. So if you don't like this, go complain to Republicans.

Lots of people are struggling for lots of reasons.

True

Lots of people with outstanding student loans aren't struggling at all.

And lots of people with outstanding student loans are struggling,

Why should they get a handout when poor people without a college education are struggling?

First of all, your statement is incredibly selfish, basically you're saying that if you can't get some then nobody deserves any.

Second of all, this bill is more about helping the middle class than it is about helping the poor, it was designed specifically to help that group of people that makes too much to get any other kind of help but is stuck under ridiculous payments that they cannot afford. And many of these people have payments that are far higher than a car payment and they only cover the interest which means they never ever make any headway on their loan at all.

Third, there are plenty of programs that help the poor. Food stamps Medicare Medicaid social security housing assistance. Did you forget about those?

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u/GhostOfConeDog 28d ago

Lol you think people with a college degree are privileged? Where are you from, The deep South?

No, I'm from the Appalachian south. So I know for a fact that people with a college degree are privileged. I'm sorry that you are out of touch with reality.

We all made our choices. I know that my choices would have been different if I had known that student loans would be forgiven. Why should people who made certain choices get a handout, while people who made other choices get jack shit?

I know a very smart woman who got a free ride scholarship. She took out as much low interest student loans as she could and she invested them. Now, almost 30 years later, she is very well off. Should her loans be forgiven?

I know people who bought cars and vacations with student loan money. Should their loans be forgiven?

I am opposed to student loan forgiveness because it is a ham-handed and dishonest scheme that will effectively give a handout to the upper middle class. I am all for helping out the poor. So lets scrap this idiotic program that is apparently designed to alienate the working class, and come up with a decent plan.

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

Lol you think people with a college degree are privileged? Where are you from, The deep South?

No, I'm from the Appalachian south. So I know for a fact that people with a college degree are privileged. I'm sorry that you are out of touch with reality.

Lol yes I am probably out of touch with people who choose to live in a depressed area and blame all their problems on "others who life elsewhere"

The fact that you think having a college degree makes you privileged, but also apparently choose to not get a degree so you could stay poor and not privileged, tells me everything I need to know about you. You love being broke and poor just so you have more stuff to complain about.

We all made our choices. I know that my choices would have been different if I had known that student loans would be forgiven.

Yes according to you, you choose to be poor, you knew that going to college would make you "privileged" but you did not want that. You made your choice and are mad at others who made a different choice.

Why should people who made certain choices get a handout, while people who made other choices get jack shit?

Seriously?

Are you asking me why people who choose to be poor should get food stamps and housing help?

Are you asking me why people who choose to live in an economicly depressed area should get help from the government?

I know a very smart woman who got a free ride scholarship. She took out as much low interest student loans as she could and she invested them. Now, almost 30 years later, she is very well off. Should her loans be forgiven?

She probably has them paid off already. It's very common to pay off your debt if you can. So she probably won't gain anything from this. But I guess that does not stop you from being mad about mad up stuff.

BTW did you know that is a common thing for conservatives? They like to make up problems in their head and then pretend they are real and then get really mad about them.

I know people who bought cars and vacations with student loan money. Should their loans be forgiven?

Yes Look I will make this as easy as I can for you to understand.

Everybody who qualifies should have their loans forgiven, just like everybody who qualifies for food stamps should get them. Just because a handful of people are willing to do the wrong thing does not mean everybody should be punished.

If 3% of people on food stamps are selling them or Even trading them for drugs, who cares. The other 97% are using them for food so they don't starve. The other choice is to have the 97% starve because of a few bad actors.

I am opposed to student loan forgiveness because it is a ham-handed and dishonest scheme that will effectively give a handout to the upper middle class.

Lol It's designed to help middle to poor income people, there are even income limits. You have no idea what you are taking about. Not surprising because you chose not to go to college.

I am all for helping out the poor.

Me too

So lets scrap this idiotic program that is apparently designed to alienate the working class, and come up with a decent plan.

This bill targets the working class, you are just being selfish. If you can't get free money then nobody should?

Or we could try and make the economy work for everyone instead of just the ultra-wealthy. We could get rid of the unrealized gains loophole that almost entirely helps only the wealthy. This would increase the taxes(income) the government makes. Or we could spend less on our military which would lower the bills the government has to pay.

Either or both of those things would allow for more unused money in our government so they could help more people. But conservatives are generally against anything that makes the wealthy pay more and against anything that helps regular people. So as long as there are dumbass conservatives willing to support the Republican party we are probably screwed.

Are you voting Democrat or Republican? Are you voting to help out to make things worse?

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u/GhostOfConeDog 28d ago edited 28d ago

I am from there. I didn't say I live there. I left TN for good and 2016 and I am doing pretty ok. But I could use a handout just the same as any college grad who hasn't bothered to pay off their student loans.

Yeah I don't have the giveashit to respond point by point to an ever-lenthening discussion.

I'll never vote for a Republican. But Democrats are doing their damndest to lose my vote. If they choose to keep giving away massive handouts to the upper middle class, I'm out. It's not like my point of view is unique. I'm sorry that you can't see past the Reddit hivemind, but most working class people see it the way I do. Do you want another Trump Administration? This is how you get another Trump Administration.

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u/Furepubs 28d ago

I left TN for good and 2016 and I am doing pretty ok.

Good for you

But I could use a handout just the same as any college grad who hasn't bothered to pay off their student loans.

Yes I understand that, but in this instance it's not for you. There are other people who are also struggling because of school. People who are told if you go to school you will be set and this loan is totally worth it. And for some people that was true and for others not so much.

But all the people I know who went to school decades ago and did well has have since paid off that loan on their own. The only people that still have a long outstanding loan are people that cannot afford to pay it off.

It's okay for them to get something to help them, many of them make too much to qualify for anything that helps very poor people. Many of them are stuck in a place where they are struggling to get by specifically because of their school loan. You clearly are not in that situation and have no idea what it's like.

I'll never vote for a Republican. But Democrats are doing their damndest to lose my vote.

That's absolute bs, this election cycle the vote comes down to do you want to ever vote again or not. There is no other issue that is as important. If you lose your right to vote this time, there will be no do-overs.

And if you vote to protect democracy then nothing really changes this cycle. But that is still far better than losing your power to vote forever.

If they choose to keep giving away massive handouts to the upper middle class, I'm out.

Again absolutely ridiculous because income limited handouts are not going to wealthy people. Ppp loans went through wealthy people.

Not to mention, I've already said there is no issue more important than whether or not you permanently lose your right to vote for president.

It's not like my point of view is unique. I'm sorry that you can't see past the Reddit hivemind, but most working class people see it the way I do.

Yes, if you are an American that would be a unique point of view for you. But if you are a Russian spy trying to get people to vote for Trump, then you probably say that all the time.

Do you want another Trump Administration? This is how you get another Trump Administration.

If you can't tell the difference between losing your right to vote and somebody else getting something that you didn't get then I can't help you anyway. Because those are not even close to the same category.

Again, the only person that would talk like you are is a person that is not actually American. Russian fries want people to believe that this is a common common way of thinking, but nobody that's capable of reasoning is going to think this way. They are going to realize that losing their right to vote permanently is more important than any other thing happening.

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u/GhostOfConeDog 27d ago

The Democrats are no longer a left-wing party. What we call left-wing now is just picking winners and losers. They pick particular special groups that they prefer and help them out, and fuck everyone else. College grads, by and large, are not poor and not struggling. They got what they paid for. Now they can use that awesome degree to pay the loan back. That's how loans work. I have paid back every loan I ever took out, without the advantage of a college degree. They can do the same.

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u/lamelameboringboring 28d ago

“No one else gets”

This guy has never seen the line at a DSS

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u/dantevonlocke 28d ago

Don't know how loan forgiveness works huh? No one is being given money. They just don't have to repay the debt to the government.

Also, don't act like Republicans give two shits about social safety nets either.

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u/GhostOfConeDog 28d ago

I give Republicans zero credit. But I don't support handouts to a select group of already privileged individuals while so many ordinary working people are struggling. If we're going to help out the poor, let's be honest about it and help out the poor.

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u/boiledpeanut33 28d ago

Student loan forgiveness does not mean they are being given money. It means they will no longer owe that money. They still have the same amount of money on hand than they did before their loans were forgiven.

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u/Kaida33 28d ago

Why not giving to both. It helps the whole country.

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u/GhostOfConeDog 28d ago

Why do you deserve a handout for your student loan, while I don't deserve a handout for my pickup truck loan? We both got what we paid for. We both owe money. It would make both of us more prosperous. Where's my handout?

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u/dThink_Ahea 27d ago

What makes you think people advocating for student loans forgiveness aren't also advocating for social welfare programs?

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u/GhostOfConeDog 27d ago

So they're advocating for social welfare programs that apply to everyone, and a special massive hadout carved out for their preferred group of college grads with loans. Why are they picking winners and losers?

Lots of people didn't go to college because they knew they couldn't afford it. That put them in a situation that is just as disadvantaged as someone who has to pay back a loan. Where is their handout?

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u/SomeRandom928Person 28d ago

Yeah, Roger... why don't you sit this one out?

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u/Heavy_Arm_7060 28d ago

Be better if he gave up his seat.

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u/TedCruzsAnalFissure 28d ago

Roger Williams pees the bed.

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u/jimmmydickgun 28d ago

He moans when he wipes

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u/heyguy38 28d ago

Roger’s sheep will still vote for him. We’re so doomed if we don’t vote Blue.

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u/jg_pls 28d ago

Why do they choose to be stupid

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u/DilithiumCrystalMeth 28d ago

It isn't always choosing to be stupid. Despite how it seems on reddit, most people don't pay any attention to politics at all because they are busy with other things. So they aren't following who is responsible for voting for what. All that a large portion of the population see is that things either got better or worse while THIS person was president and so will vote either for against that person and their party. Meanwhile, a lot of those same people will vote for someone like Roger because they just recognize the name. They don't actually know what he does, they just know that he is already there and so they might as well vote for him again because if he was bad at his job, surely someone within the party would primary him.

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u/Zodiac339 28d ago

How could he have almost $1.5 million in loans!? The fuck was he doing? Oh, “small business” loan program that he was part of instituting. So, same ethical standard as Congressional members using insider knowledge to trade stocks.

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u/On_my_last_spoon 28d ago

The PPP loans were set up to allow shit like this. I listened to an explanation on them and Trump made sure there was zero oversight.

Then they have the audacity to try to say someone who has already paid back the principal of their student loans and then some doesn’t deserve a little relief? Fuck off

$7.7 billion for 160,000 people is $48,125 each. That’s it. And it’s like 1/4 of some people’s debt.

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u/Zardif 28d ago

Then when people on the internet started looking into the PPP loans and seeing the fraud, they passed a new one called the ERC which has no public data so these fraudsters can do the same shit without getting publicly called out.

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u/On_my_last_spoon 28d ago

Yeah I remember that! We were all bored at home and ProPublica, bless them, created a search site. That’s how a few really large companies got shamed into giving back their loans. Small businesses were dying and fucking Shake Shack got millions free.

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u/NeverLookBothWays 28d ago

It was a "take if you absolutely need" kind of program, and people like Roger didn't need it, and just took. Often cutting out those who did need the loans. Was absolutely disgusting.

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u/right-side-up-toast 28d ago

It was that originally, but quickly became take this money if you can, otherwise you are a fool.

By the end of it, banks were actively soliciting people to try to push funds out.

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u/rax1051 28d ago

I got one disagreement with your statement, this isn’t the same ethical standard as the insider trading. Trading stocks, you can still suffer a loss, yes, you shouldn’t if you’ve invested right while using that insider information, but what if the product flops like the Microsoft Zune, plus you are using your own money. Meanwhile, they wrote themselves the checks and made the law when they would have to pay it back, then before that date, wrote it off the books, it was literal free money from the taxpayers that they knew they wouldn’t have to payback, it is more malicious than the insider trading and really boils my blood, comparatively.

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u/Zodiac339 28d ago

True, yes. This is worse. But the other thing with Congress trading is law they make that will benefit the business, so they can directly cause stocks to increase or decrease as desired. To some extent.

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u/rax1051 28d ago

It’s slimy, no doubt.

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u/BPhiloSkinner 28d ago

There's Roger Williams, who founded the state of Rhode Island in order to get away from the puritans.
There's Roger Williams) of Nebraska, popular pianist, whose work I do still enjoy. (got his autograph; nice fellow.)

Then there's this underemployed rodeo clown from Texas.

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u/HughJahsso 28d ago

Great ad for biden

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u/zogar5101985 28d ago

Oh no, transferring money back to normal people. Which goes back to the economy, helping everyone, and eventually back to the government, how dare he. Doesn't Biden know the government is only allowed to transfer wealth from everyone else to the top .01%? Where it can be locked up and never see the light of day again? That is how it is supposed to work.

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u/jtweezy 28d ago

I mean, not to mention that the asshole who commented is a member of the party who wants to cancel social security. I guess all of us who contributed to that can just go fuck ourselves while they keep the countless dollars we’ve contributed to that in our lifetimes.

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u/Unusual-Thing-7149 28d ago

I tried to explain this to someone the other day but they just couldn't get it. Chances are the money saved also gets spent on local business

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u/alwayzbored114 28d ago

Especially because several of the "loan forgiveness" efforts that the administration have done is really just doing what existing systems were already supposed to. Many of the forgiveness systems have been in place for decades but were loosely defined or poorly maintained. Income Based Repayment had forgiveness baked in but denied tons of people that it shouldn't have. Community Service / Public Work forgiveness plans had trouble accounting for hours worked correctly. Just counting these right or expanding the definitions slightly gave forgiveness to tons. It's not the magic wand wave like some incorrectly assume

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u/somehugefrigginguy 28d ago

This is the point that I think is missed in this issue. People are looking at this like some kind of handout to people who irresponsibly took loans they couldn't pay back. In reality the borrowers took those loans under the condition that forgiveness would be available, then got screwed by third-party servicers. In many of these situations, such as public service forgiveness, those borrowers took lower paying jobs providing public service (a benefit to society) specifically because they were promised the loans would be forgiven. Without that plan many people would have taken higher paying jobs in private industry and been able to pay off their loans themselves.

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u/OdinsGhost 28d ago

It’s infuriating how they keep trying to claim Biden is “sidestepping SCOTUS” by… following the law.

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u/Ok_Exchange342 28d ago

Meanwhile, our sidestepping SCOTUS...

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u/Georgiaonmymindtwo 28d ago

That could be a new dance, move the SCOTUS side step.

You put your right hand in.

You take your right hand out.

Now your hand is full of money and you shake it all about.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Welfare Queen Will Rogers mad that other people may also receive government assistance.

Can we all agree to start calling wealthy people who take government assistance and companies that do it welfare queens?

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u/Jedi_Hog 28d ago

Do this more!

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u/Josef_Kant_Deal 28d ago

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u/On_my_last_spoon 28d ago

The woman running the White House social media used to run New Jersey’s account! God I miss having her but I’m glad we could sacrifice so the whole country could get this treat.

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u/Nopantsbullmoose 28d ago

Welp, time to reinstate his loans at 9% compounded interest just like student loans.

Good luck mother f---er and remember "socialism is bad".

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u/facemesouth 28d ago

I think most Americans would be shocked to hear of the people who received and had had forgiven, loans from the federal government due to Covid.

It’s shocking.

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u/UncleBenLives91 28d ago

Well yeah, he got his. Fuck everybody else.

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u/DennenTH 28d ago

It's also an incredibly inept take by Roger Williams, who with a little research would have seen that this student loan forgiveness is simply a fulfillment of the agreement made with borrowers back in, what...  2007?

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u/Used_Intention6479 28d ago

When cronies get money, good. When desperate citizens get money, bad.

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u/Dragosal 28d ago

The thing that gets me is those dipping into PPP loans aren't really cycling it back into the economy. But forgiving student loans opens up for those who received forgiveness to spend more in the economy making our country better

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u/pacinor 28d ago

I might actually be able to but a house now

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u/Used_Intention6479 28d ago

Good point! When average people get money they spur our economy. When the wealthy get money they either squirrel it away in the Caymans or use it to influence our government for their shady purposes.

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u/Sangi17 28d ago

The general public of Americans will never give a fuck about the president forgiving student loans.

That shit is a W for everyone.

The few spiteful Americans that are actually pissed about this, never would have voted for Biden regardless.

Those of us without student loans that are thrilled about the forgiveness understand that more people with higher education means smarter voters which means a more stable future for a democracy like ours.

And most importantly, less useful idiots for the Fascists.

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u/Paladoc 28d ago

Fact off ya fascist cons!

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u/Jray12590 28d ago

Aren't these loans being forgiven under PSFL and IDR? Which were created by an act of Congress? Is Roger's complaint "Why is Biden using the powers that Congress expressly granted him?"

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u/somehugefrigginguy 28d ago

Yeah. Biden is using his power to honor commitments made by the government decades ago. The current forgiveness isn't a new thing, it's enforcing programs that are already established.

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u/SoWokeIdontSleep 28d ago

How dare Biden invest in

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Higher education,

Oh hmmm, that's exactly where I prefer my taxes go to than killing brown people on the other side of the world, or any side of the world for that matter

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u/megavolt121 28d ago

But it’s OK if your tax dollars go to killing white people?

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u/SoWokeIdontSleep 28d ago

Yes that's exactly what I said, the more the better/s

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u/Crotch-Monster 28d ago

I never went to college. So I don't owe any money on loans. However, I think this is a great idea. I'm glad to see some college loans being forgiven. I don't know how well this will go over with what I'm about to say, but I believe that all education should be free. If someone wants to do something to better themselves. I'm totally fine with it.

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u/womanistaXXI 28d ago

Education should definitely be free. Our labour is enough for everyone to have the basics in life, a dignified life.

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u/TikiHead99 28d ago

At the same time ... I can't wait for some self-identified progressive Millennial to pipe up and say "I'M NOT VOTING FOR JOE BIDEN ... HE'S OLD AND DOES NOTHING FOR PEOPLE LIKE MEEEEEE ... "

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u/kulji84 28d ago

Just listen for the Russian accent when they say it.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

i keep hearing that accent everytime about the anti-biden hamas protest.

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u/kulji84 28d ago

...so weird... like an organized campaign or something

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

crickets when you see republican approving and bombing people.

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u/kulji84 28d ago

FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY!

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u/blandocalrissian50 28d ago

All these GOP clowns who want poor people saddled with debt to keep them poor had PPP loans that have been forgiven. Majorie Taylor Green, hate typing her shitty name, had them for a construction company that she has since shut down. Mmmmmm. None paid back. Good for goose, great, fuck the gander! Right?

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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 28d ago

Dark Brandon Strikes again

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u/NES_Classical_Music 28d ago

Roger Williams is a fat bitch

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u/HorizonZeroDawn2 28d ago

This guy is my rep. He's worthless. He ran unopposed too.

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u/thisiskeel 28d ago

If no one's running next you(someone you know) run against that POS. We will start a gfm for your campaign. I'm not joking.

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u/HorizonZeroDawn2 28d ago

Ok. Fuck. I just might. Been thinking about it since many republicans just run unopposed around here. I’m just not rich enough to fund myself and have zero political experience.

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u/fidgeter 28d ago

Yet another glorious moment for the “rules for thee and not for me” party.

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u/fledflorida 28d ago

I love this comeback 💋

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u/DualActiveBridgeLLC 28d ago edited 28d ago

Ohh look it is my literal used car salesman Representative who has his position due to ridiculous gerrymandering.Also the PPP is the largest con ever perpetrated on teh American people. It's stated goal was to prop up businesses to save jobs. The current academic papers put the cost to the tax payers to save a single job through the PPP is somewhere between $250k to $450k. For example this study that put the cost to save one job at $377k. The average worker makes $45k/year. We literally could have paid people to stay home and not spread disease >8x more cost effective than the PPP. This asshole robbed us blind.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

we know full well from many accounts the PPP business owners used it to enrich themselves rather than keep the employees paid, some even were "let go" too.

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u/jeophys152 28d ago

He isn’t side stepping anything. He is following the supreme court ruling as they ruled it and using the powers provided to him by law

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u/Mr-Hoek 28d ago

...from Comrade Trump's openly socialist response to his bungling of the COVID 19 pandemic, like a moron.

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u/signspam 28d ago

This is what made me so fuxking pissed about my student debt relief. While screaming socialism and handouts are wrong and they block my loan forgiveness.

While going and forgiving their own damn loans.

Take out a loan pay back a loan goes right out the window when they take out loans.

So I get no loan forgiveness now, loos like a living wage and retiring are probably never gonna happen either.

Might as well cancel Medicare and Social Security now. The boomers got theirs and said fuck us!

And in top of all that, these republican cunts go and try and baby trap my ass. Way to go republican party, you officially killed your party!

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u/BigWave96 28d ago

Hold the fort there. I’m a boomer who is still paying my student loans ( 28 years and they have not been forgiven). Also, I and most my age have not retired so please don’t generalize boomers as getting ours. I’ve got nothing yet and have been paying into for 46 years.

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u/PeaceLoveDyeStuff 28d ago

Why did so many Congress people have their loans forgiven? That's fucked

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u/jamesvabrams 28d ago

I know PPP loans were to help businesses keep people on the payroll during Covid but was there any accounting required to show how much went to employees rather than owners and family on payroll? A lot of congresspeople got big PPP loans.

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u/savvylikeapirate 28d ago

It's also a little crazy with the math that the people who got forgiveness were, on average, 42 grand in debt.

That's a despair amount of debt. That's a "this is fine" in a room on fire amount of debt. God forbid we help people, Roger.

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u/pacinor 28d ago

Fuck him. What I had forgiven was less than 5% of what he had forgiven.

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u/Salt_Beginning_6999 28d ago

Fuck the GOP, fuck dipshit trump and anyone who votes for these POS.

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u/Dumbiotch 28d ago

Eat the rich dammit

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u/sitspinwin 28d ago

He should have to pay that back it’s a loan Roger.

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u/Gravy_31 28d ago

$7.7bil across 160,000 people is $48,125 per person.

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u/TestOk8411 28d ago

I am extatic that The White House is finally hitting back at these hypocritical Republicans.
Stop with the high road John Kerry stuff. Hit em where it hurts

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u/MsPinkieB 28d ago

All I can hear is Kelso shouting BURN!

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u/whatiamcapableof 28d ago

Can Trump reverse these if he gets re-elected? I got mine forgiven and am worried it might come back even worse than it was.

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u/On_my_last_spoon 28d ago

I don’t think so. There isn’t really a mechanism to reinstate a loan.

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u/Hemicrusher 28d ago edited 28d ago

Someone needs to put this up on a billboard in his district.

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u/Cool-Presentation538 28d ago

Are you fucking kidding me? 

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u/pegLegNinja1 28d ago

What business does he have on order to get the loans?

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u/Bob-Doll 28d ago

Socialism for me, not for thee.

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u/gaberax 28d ago

Roger is a dent in the deficient all by himself.

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u/bertiesakura 28d ago

Don’t forget that many of these people also directly benefited from the Trump Tax Cuts!!!

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u/theganjaoctopus 28d ago

I am ashamed to say that my sister, who is the only employee at her business, had over $200k in PPP loans forgiven.

And she will be first in line to gleefully cast her vote for trump in November.

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u/yusill 28d ago

What does a sitting congressman need ppp loans for. Seriously. What side gig does this guy have that he needed 1.5 mill in PPP loans. I had a small biz during that time. I was told those loans were already given out 48 hrs after they were announced. I had to take the small biz loans they did that they didn't forgive. My biz was closed due to COVID I'm personally still paying off those loans and will be for years more.

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u/NoSleep2023 28d ago

He owns a car dealership that he inherited. His estimated wealth is over $27 million. Yes, million. And the government handed him another $1.5 million, even though auto sales were deemed an essential business.

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u/AncientSkys 28d ago

Does Roger Williams deserve that? How is this good? I fully paid my loan while this clown gets his forgiven. Fuck that!

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u/Clever_Mercury 28d ago

This should be an enormous part of the campaigns before November. Point out all these conservative hypocrites who used a global pandemic to line their own pocket with money. Shine the light on the scum.

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u/the_calibre_cat 28d ago

I swear to fucking god PPP was a gift

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u/atomicshrimpp 28d ago

Marie Antoinette lost her head for a reason...

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u/womanistaXXI 28d ago

A billionaire in Vietnam was recently condemned to death because she defrauded the country of billions and severely damaged the economy.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

thats why they all flee to the USA or another western country, they know they wont get executed.

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u/LucyBear318 28d ago

Hey, that’s great, when you get to the rest of us who were preyed upon by third party buyers, LMK, otherwise you ain’t got jack!!

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u/Key-Assistant-1757 28d ago

WHAT ABOUT YOU ROGER WILLIAMS????????

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u/TheRem 28d ago

Pretty sure forgiveness was in the original loan agreement for these people, wasn't it?

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u/doogie1111 28d ago

Bro wtf this is literally a tweet from the official White House twitter.

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u/AmySchumersAnalTumor 28d ago

yeah but why dont they do the thing that they're doing in the photo

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u/FattyMooseknuckle 28d ago

They often do. One round of student loan forgiveness they listed a number of the people who were complaining and how much they had forgiven.

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u/Phallic-Monolith 28d ago

He didn’t mention it at the SotU but he’s spoken on it in speeches before, and this is the official White House Twitter commenting it.

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u/BeeNo3492 28d ago

SOTU isn't the place for that kind of call out.

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u/Lucky-Earther 28d ago

Why don't the Democrats and Biden call this stuff out?

He says on a thread where Democrats and Biden are calling this stuff out.

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u/SimpleStrok3s 28d ago

Oh no they're helping people with crippling student debt and allowing the money to go into the economy and not the hands of banks. Right wing fucks know that the economy will continue to grow with the cancellation of debt.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 28d ago

trump knew full well the PPP were meant to be stolen, his own family stole some too. besides the 2017 tax gift for the billionaires this was his second gift to them.

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u/monkeypan 28d ago

The people getting their debts forgiven met the terms of their contract for those loans and this is the government honoring that contact.

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u/othello28 28d ago

Dumb question what are PPP loans and why were they forgiven.

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u/the_walking_derp 28d ago edited 28d ago

During COVID the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) offered low interest loans to business owners so they wouldn't have to lay off employees during the pandemic since they couldn't work face to face. A noble intent but it was coopted by corporations and wealthy people to pad their pockets as there was little to no oversight (as was the intent of the administration at the time, Trump's). A few honest people came by that money, but some didn't. Anecdotally I know a hairstylist who applied and was denied.

Soon after, these loans started to be forgiven. For those honest small business owners this was a mercy in an uncertain time. However, the rich and corporations (like Walmart) also had theirs forgiven which translated into free money to people who had the means to pay back these loans. Congressmembers typically have investment portfolios that translate into wealth beyond their congressional paychecks, and their personnel (aides and the like) are taxpayer subsidized. Thus, they didn't really need these loans.

Threading it all together the program acted as a mechanism to funnel taxpayer money into the pockets of those who did not need it. While beneficial to many small business owners who were in dire need of these sums, the lack of oversight left the program open to exploitation by those who did not need the money. I hope this answers your question.

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u/Sanseriouz 28d ago

It was the largest grift in US history. The tax funded coffers were plundered and the scope of the entire caper obfuscated as the foxes were in charge of watching the proverbial henhouse.

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u/burnmenowz 28d ago

bUt HeS a JoB cReAtOr!

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u/n3w4cc01_1nt 28d ago

that's about the same as making minimum wage for 80 years

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u/nsweeney11 28d ago

Honestly I love that they're still doing this

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u/WastingTimePhd 27d ago

Favorite part is this latest round of “forgiveness”…. Is almost all loans being discharged after they met the PSLF requirements or the full “repayment requirement” under whichever repayment plan they were under (PAYE, REPAYE, or SAVE). None of this was even predatory lender forgiveness or failed/non-accredited college crap where people were defrauded. This was jist…. Borrowers finishing their payment periods AS OUTLINED IN THE LOAN CONTRACTSO lol

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u/bensbigboy 28d ago

Let's all call Rep. Williams and demand that he return those PPP socialism dollars.

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u/dantevonlocke 28d ago

They have clawed back a portion of the money that was used fraudulently. Just really hard when the system was designed to hinder that.

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u/WealthyYorick 28d ago

Because they were literally designed to be forgiven. The PPP argument in the context of student loan forgiveness is ill-informed whataboutism

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u/EcksRidgehead 28d ago edited 28d ago

Correct, the Trump administration designed it specifically as a way of transferring taxpayer money to the wealthy. People need to understand that it was only called a "loan" in order to fool ordinary working people.

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u/MorlockTaylorGreene 28d ago

Wealthy Yak fukker has an opinion about loan repayment

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u/potatophobic 28d ago

Because there are legitimate businesses that needed that money. I also don't necessarily agree with this comparison since these loans (for the most part) were meant to keep your business open, including paying employees

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u/HoboBonobo1909 28d ago

That's called a handout. Why didn't those businesses just do more business? You not agreeing with a comparison does not make it apt. After all, those college loans were given to people who became part of the economy. Plenty of US congress people got PPP loans for doing nothing. It's a scam.

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u/potatophobic 28d ago

I mean I could make the same argument back to you. Why didn't those students get a degree that had better job prospects? Or why didn't they go to community college or an in-state public university?

I think the PPP loan situation is terrible, and the oversight is even worse. But the PPP loans were based on Covid, something no one was prepared for, and the alternative was shutting down your business and firing everyone.

I have student loans but I also chose to go to community college for a year and then got a business degree.

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u/potatophobic 28d ago

agreed, but forgiving them doesn't fix any of the predatory issues. All we're doing is forgiving them, letting 16 year olds still do it, and then are going to make this argument again in 5 years for them.

I'd be fine with the idea of forgiving them if they also fixed the issues that got us here

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u/lamelameboringboring 28d ago edited 28d ago

Annnd just like no one had a gun to the heads of college students forcing them to sign a loan, No one put a gun to those peoples heads to make them go into business in the first place.

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u/potatophobic 28d ago edited 28d ago

yeah don't forgive any of them

edit: also no one put a gun to their head that they needed to go to a university they couldn't afford in the first place. Community college, in-state public universities, trade schools all were available and they chose the $40k/yr school and agreed to take the loans out.

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u/lamelameboringboring 28d ago

Forgive studentloans just don’t use taxes, use the schools bloated endowment funds

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u/GhostOfConeDog 28d ago

This upward wealth-redistribution will hand the presidency to Trump. I hate Trump, but this is so out of touch with the electorate that it can't be a coincidence. Biden is intentionally throwing the election.

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u/SlowJoeyRidesAgain 27d ago

What a profoundly stupid take.

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u/GhostOfConeDog 27d ago

I'm sorry that you have a tenuous grasp of reality.

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u/SlowJoeyRidesAgain 27d ago

Projection is a strange thing