r/WhitePeopleTwitter 28d ago

Dental care is health care. We must address this crisis.

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u/Legitimate_Ocelot491 28d ago

There's no sense for it to be separate from health insurance and have such a paltry cap on coverage each year.

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u/LegitimatePrize249 28d ago

Or your eyeballs! Like ???

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u/Genoisthetruthman 28d ago

Fuck me im blind

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u/whatdoiwantsky 28d ago

I'm fat and ugly. Deal.

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u/Silver-Instruction73 27d ago

Hearing too. I’ve had hearing loss since birth and hearing aids cost over $1000 even with insurance

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

dental is just expensive even with insurance. they usually partially cover things like root canals, or crowns.

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 27d ago edited 27d ago

It doesn't help that some dentists are flat out scam artists, convincing patients they need procedures they do not need. Avoid corporate owned dentist offices at all costs.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

i heard that, deep cleaning is thier favorite scams, one around me shows pictures of people with horrible teeth to scare the,.

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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 27d ago

I didn't really believe it until it happened to me.

If a dentist tells you you need a deep cleaning, get a second opinion!

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u/Silver-Instruction73 27d ago

No doubt. Fortunately I’ve tried to take good care of my teeth so I’ve only ever needed routine cleaning every 6 months which is fully covered by my dental plan. Never had a cavity and have all my wisdom teeth too.

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u/Aquariam20 27d ago

Well, aren't you special? I bet they're perfectly straight and everything, aren't they, mr./mrs./ms. tooth fairy? Did mommy give you a whole dollar for each tooth because they were so clean and perfect??

Don't mind me, I'm just jealous because I DEFINITELY didn't take care of my teeth, and I have no money to afford the dental care I need. I'm actually genuinely happy for you, and I'm proud of you for taking care of your teeth! It can be a hard thing to do for a lot of people.

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u/Silver-Instruction73 27d ago

A lot of it is just luck to be fair because there was a lot of my childhood where I only brushed my teeth like once a week and never flossed regularly until a couple years ago. That being said I think we need Medicare for all that includes dental/vision/hearing.

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u/RaZ-RemiiX 27d ago

Didn't a patent or something expire recently which made over the counter hearing aids available to everyone for much more reasonable prices?

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u/Fizzwidgy 27d ago

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u/soraticat 27d ago

You can get low end ones for as little as $99 now but you probably get what you pay for them.

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u/Ok-Pie5655 27d ago

Mental,dental and eyeball health matter too.

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u/SmokelessSubpoena 27d ago

Wait until you get Lasik, and realize that 90%+ of the world's bad vision, could be repaired in under 5 minutes per patient.

But the gatekeepers are doing a GREAT job gatekeepers access to those with money, or those with the ability to get funding.

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u/Thin-Significance838 27d ago

Was just going to say this! Without my glasses I’m completely unable to do anything! Totally necessary and must be part of healthcare. Why is vision care separate???? Btw we just ordered glasses for my husband and after insurance, $1000.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

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u/Thin-Significance838 27d ago

Bad vision Bifocals NYC prices

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u/MountRoseATP 27d ago

This one really gets me. I cannot see. How is that not….important?

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u/Rude_Entrance_3039 27d ago

Balls, covered. Eyeballs, nah!

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u/Bitey_the_Squirrel 28d ago

Teeth are premium bones.

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u/The_Untruth 28d ago

My luxury bones come at a luxury premium price. :(

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u/The-Dead-Internet 28d ago

It makes sense if you are against this. Dental historically has always been separated from medical infact those spinny tall poles that you see at hair places they also used to do dental.

It's not just us dental and medical are separate even is some parts or Europe because it's always been that way.

Until we get rid of insurance companies and roll out healthcare that we the tax payers should have it won't change.

But considering American healthcare is one of the largest scams there is I don't see that happening even the left typically won't touch that.

My advice to whoever needs dental work done is go to dental schools it's affordable and you will be under the supervision of a dentist as well as any procedure they can't do he  or she will take over.

Alternatively if it's expensive Mexico is a hidden secret for everything they are doctors and they offer the same thing including things you can't get here like hormones and pain killers sol openly and legally from a pharmacy.

Shop around even if it isn't here.

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u/Opeope89 28d ago

I’m a dentist and am all for people doing what they need to do for care. I just have to comment that I have seen some absolutely outrageous things come back from Mexico and other countries where licensing requirements are minimal or none. It’s a risk and has to be acknowledged. If you have serious work done and have problems, you have to go back to wherever it was done, and there is less of a guarantee that they will approach anything with integrity if it doesn’t work out.

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u/Grokent 27d ago

While occasionally bad dental work is done in Mexico, it is infinitely superior to the amount of dental work that isn't done AT ALL in the U.S. because people can't afford it.

I know dozens of people that have gone without dental care because the cost of service in the U.S. is untenable. If the choice was go to Mexico and roll the dice or possibly die from lack of care, Mexico is the clear choice.

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u/Opeope89 27d ago

I’ve helped remove an implant that was so long it went thru the patient’s bone, through the sinus, and into their inferior turbinate. that same person had nerve damage from a different implant that was already removed. So yeah, just be careful

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u/levelzerogyro 27d ago

Well it's either that or die from reoccurring infections. It's $680 just for the anesthesia I need, another 11k for the work I need. I can go to Mexico for like $350, get it done for $300, and come back. I have no choice, I'm disabled and on medicare. Dentist want me to sign up for 11k @ 34% interest to help me.

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u/Opeope89 27d ago

You have to do what you have to do. I’m not saying don’t do it. Just be diligent in choosing who provides your care. And I have more concern about people going for implants/cosmetic work abroad.

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u/okhi2u 27d ago

Dentist ain't helping you when the interest rate is too high to ever be paid on someone on disability.

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u/levelzerogyro 27d ago

No, it would literally bankrupt me. That's why I have teeth literally rotting out of my mouth and I can't even get free clinics to help because I make 12k/yr on disability and that means I qualify for "sliding scale" which is still way too much.

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u/Grokent 27d ago

Ok, I know someone who lost a significant portion of his skull because he had an infection that went untreated because he couldn't afford to see a dentist.

For every story you want to share, I guarantee I can find one like this: https://www.nydailynews.com/2011/09/05/unemployed-man-with-no-health-insurance-dies-after-minor-tooth-infection-spreads-to-brain/

So it seems to me the root of the problem is that dentists in the U.S. charge too much.

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u/dukewellingtonII 27d ago

I am a dentist. We are not charging what we charge just because we are greedy. Healthcare expenses across the board in the US are insane. This falls back to the cost of supplies being inflated compared to other countries and our overall cost of labor. All of this has skyrocketed since COVID and we lost 10% of our workforce due to retirements/being to scared to come back to work in a highly aerosolized environment.

In-network dentists also accept a lower, contracted rate from what their customary rate would otherwise be. Insurance companies have not been willing to negotiate or even increase these fees to keep up with inflation since about 2008. We are getting squeezed by these insurance companies.

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u/Opeope89 27d ago

You’re implying that everyone is going abroad for serious infection, which I can assure you is not true. Many people go for implants and cosmetic procedures. Those are the ones I see that people can regret.

Odontogenic infections can kill people which is why preventative care needs to be emphasized more and covered more by insurances. And I should add, why people should be visiting the dentist for routine care more, and why people should be taking better care of their teeth more.

If you want to get into a debate about how insurance industries haven’t raised reimbursement rates in 40 years but the cost of providing dental care has skyrocketed since then, perhaps we can do that. Dental care is expensive, yes, but the cost of keeping the lights on is also expensive. Overhead is extremely high, materials are way overpriced (it’s called the dental tax), and dentists are forced to accept losses on some common procedures if they are in network with certain plans. That is, if the insurance plan (out of the dozens of different ones) actually covers it without playing games. It’s not a simple of a picture as you paint it, but it sure is nice to believe that it’s just dentists charging too much.

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u/Grokent 27d ago

  You’re implying that everyone is going abroad for serious infection

No, you're inferring that. My position is that both going abroad and people dying from infections are symptoms of dentists charging too much. 

If you want to get into a debate about how insurance industries

I do not. Fact is, dentists are pretty well off. I've seen my dentists cars, watch, clothes, and shoes. You can cry about the expenses all you want but, being a dentist is profitable. That profit is baked in to the prices.

Meanwhile, again... People are literally dying from preventable infections because dental health care is out of reach. L

I live in Arizona. We're no strangers to going across the border for healthcare. They have a limousine service that will come and pick you up and drive you across the border and back and it's still less expensive and the offices look nicer than any dentist office in Scottsdale.

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u/Opeope89 27d ago edited 24d ago

Saying that the problem is just “dentists charging too much” shows you have no real semblance of an understanding of the problem of healthcare in this country and like most, probably aren’t interested in hearing otherwise because it’s easier to play the victim.

But go on, tell me more about how well off I am, how my profession works, and why I should be happy losing money on bread and butter procedures because I’m in network. I’ve invested 400,000 in education alone, have spent 20 years in school at minimum, but I should be willing to foot the bill for patients that have put off their care for years - because insurances and our government don’t want to solve the crux of the issue. Get real.

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u/dukewellingtonII 27d ago

Again, we don’t charge enough quite frankly. Our reimbursement rates have stagnated and even gone down in some areas over the last twenty years. We do not get into this profession to be the rich dentist with a boat. The overwhelming majority of us do it to serve others and use our brain for good. It is too damn grueling, both physically and mentally, for it to be about money. Check our suicide rates out if you don’t believe me. There are much easier paths to getting rich than becoming a dentist.

You come across as the type of person that will verbally abuse my front office staff when your insurance doesn’t cover what they said they would.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

shut up dentists need boats too

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u/Opeope89 27d ago

More like we need to pay $400,000 in loans just for school. And if you want to start a practice that can easily be another half million. Oh, and you wanted a house after years of sacrifice? That will be another loan.

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u/MountRoseATP 27d ago

My dad is an emergency doc, and he saw a number of failed surgeries done abroad. He would call the plastic surgeon for a consult, and they basically said “tell the guy to go back to where he got it”. They would refuse to fix whatever it was due to liabilities.

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u/MinisterOfTruth99 27d ago

Tooth decay can lead to problems in other parts of the body. Totally insane that dental is not part of the whole health insurance package.

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u/toraksmash 27d ago

Teeth are luxury bones. Optional bones. Cosmetic bones.

Totally not something one needs to fucking exist.

...I hate it here.

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u/Wyrdeone 28d ago

Absolutely agree. Health insurance should cover..HEALTH?!

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u/Poopiebuttfartface 27d ago

Yes there is, profit for the capitalist! It can’t benefit from society unless I profit from it!!! Because capitalism.

I hate this shit.

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u/pizat1 27d ago

1500 is wild.

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u/MornGreycastle 27d ago

There IS sense. It's classism. How else are we supposed to easily spot the poors if they get good dental care?

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u/Crosisx2 27d ago

I currently need an implant for one tooth. With insurance the cheapest I've found is 3,200. Some places were up to 7,000. It's utterly ridiculous. Can't shop around without having to go to a new place and give myself cancer from all the additional X-rays. Heaven forbid they tell you over the damn phone what a realistic price they would charge. It's all a scam.

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u/beerinapaperbag 27d ago

Cap that doesn't seem to adjust to inflation or cover anything beyond a filling and a couple cleanings.

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u/wintremute 27d ago

Yep I have "good" dental insurance. I had a root canal and a crown this year and now I've maxed out my benefits until January. They will only pay for cleanings now.

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u/BukkitCrab 28d ago

This.

Poor dental health leads to poor body health. Dental healthcare shouldn't be separate from any other kind of healthcare, it's all connected.

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u/TechTuna1200 27d ago

Agree. Even here in Denmark (and we are the poster child of Bernie Sanders) dental is not part of healthcare. And it shouldn't be like that. Dental care can be expensive in Denmark, but not to the point where it bankrupts you though.

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u/pxlmover 28d ago

With great insurance, I've spent over 15k on root canals and crowns in the past 5 years. I always spent the first part of January using all my dental benefits, never completing all urgently needed work cause I couldn't afford it and had to wait until they refreshed the following year when my teeth were always worse,since I never was able to get what was needed 100% done. Such a frustrating experience, they still hurt and I'm in the same boat. Developed an eating disorder due to discomfort and lost a bunch of weight. Any pain gives me PTSD knowing it could cost me a grand to resolve.

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u/Isla_Eldar 28d ago edited 28d ago

I’ve spent probably $30k on my teeth over the course of the last 15ish years, half of it fixing bad work by “good” dentists. Did you know $3k crowns only last about 10 years. As these start to fail, I’ll be having extractions and getting zircon implants in Mexico for less than a replacement crown.

ETA: the experts say pregnancy & nursing don’t affect your teeth, but I hadn’t ever had a single cavity until I was 26, shortly after I had 3 kids in 3 years. After that keeping a mouth full of in tact teeth was like shoveling snow in a blizzard.

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u/SurveySean 28d ago

I’m Canadian and just last week had a root canal. It cost me $300 after maxing out my extended insurance policy. I think my extended insurance only allows $1500 a year for dental care and now I am maxed out. I used to live in the states and can remember paying $250 per dentist visit from what I remember. I was just wondering how much does it cost for a crown? Or a root canal? I first had a crown, then just last week a root canal. My tooth was fractured and getting painful. Feels better now but not sure how long it will last since they didn’t necessary fix anything, just took away my sense of it!

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u/Isla_Eldar 28d ago edited 28d ago

My last root canal/crown was done in 2021 after I maxed out my Cadillac policy. It cost me about $4500 out the door.

(I’ve since moved within a 3 hour drive of Tijuana, Mexico.m and you can get an implant/crown, etc there for about $1000 from dentists educated and trained in the US. I’m sure crowns are a few hundred or so.)

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u/SurveySean 28d ago

Wow, so if you didn’t have insurance you would pay way more then! If I had my tooth out here in Canada they said they could drill a single tooth in for $5000. Probably even more in US. My wife and I are considering moving back to Phoenix. We aren’t getting younger.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

i assume you mean implants? In the us almost as much but some are more. one of my bro had 6k for an implant.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

its either mexico, maybe canada. or a ASIAN country for dental work. one my former coworker had a thai wife, so he regular goes to thailand for dental work, because she knows thai they are more likely to avoid sketchy dentists.

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u/spookym00n 27d ago

just had a root canal and crown- was 6k!!! they knocked like 15% off since i’ve got no insurance and signed up for their offices ‘membership’ which was $300 for the year (gives u a cleaning and full x-rays) so all in all it was like $1500 up front and finance the rest till i die - but i already lost a couple teeth on the other side (kids, don’t get your tongue pierced- it WILL cost you lots!) and without this crown done i would not have been able to chew. I’m going to end up needing implants eventually, if i live long enough to afford them…

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u/satanseedforhire 27d ago

Pregnancy absolutely weakened my teeth, and since I switched insurance and need a new dentist right now the closest appointment they can get me is January. I literally have cracked teeth on both sides of my face. It's crazy

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u/Complete-Fix-3954 27d ago

Quick FYI: I moved to Brazil 10 years ago. You can get a canal, pin, and 3D printed implant for about 2000-2500 BRL(roughly $400-500) I know cuz I got two in the last five years.

It’s not Mexico but I’d say dental care in Brazil is probably the best I’ve ever seen.

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u/OHMG_lkathrbut 28d ago

I had to have EIGHT fillings after my pregnancy, and ended up losing 2 of those teeth after the fillings fell out. Pregnancy can definitely affect your teeth.

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u/CurseofLono88 27d ago edited 27d ago

Not to mention mental health leads to bad dental health. Sometimes self health feels impossible for people with depression, bipolar depression, addiction, and a whole bunch of other serious mental health issues. The worse it gets the harder it gets to deal with.

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u/creegro 27d ago

And a major pain. Having pain in your jaw, that you can't do shit about except pain killers and heat/cold packs to lessen the pain. Sometimes it's so bad you can't sleep at all. I remember being in agony as a child, with my mom trying to comfort me cause the dentist appointment was days away and I just couldn't not be in pain.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

for several weeks before i got back on family insurance during obamas time, i had severe pain which radiated all over my right side. i was uinsured during that time. so i had several years of no insurance, and dint know i an infection/badly decayed tooth, which wouldve been filled long time ago. i ended getting root canal and crown for it.

the pain was equivalent to aftermath of tooth extraction once the anesthetic wears off, instead it was constant for weeks. it also caused constant headaches, and temple pain.

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u/LemmyLola 27d ago

I had an abcessed tooth i couldn't afford to fix. One side of my face swelled up. A relative I hadn't seen in a long time saw me and took me to a dentist. They put me on antibiotics immediately because it was too swollen to work on.. 2 days later I went back and they fixed it. The dentist said I could have gone blind. I'm forever grateful I was seen and cared for and someone paid the bill.

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u/elyk12121212 27d ago

Tooth infections also greatly increase the likelihood someone will commit suicide and is the highest cause of suicide in third world countries.

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u/wintremute 27d ago

And if you have any prosthetic implants like hips or shoulders, it can lead to those getting infected. That can be deadly or permanently disabling.

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u/MV203 28d ago

If heath insurance is a scam, dental insurance is taking you in a back alley and kicking you in the nuts and charging you co-insurance fees after.

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u/vi-null 27d ago

Dental insurance is basically just pre-paid cleanings and up to maybe $1000 if something else goes wrong

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u/gilgunderson22 28d ago

And as bad as health insurance is, dental is much worse.

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u/HellishChildren 28d ago

Someone said dental insurance is just a gift card.

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u/caniuserealname 27d ago

It's everywhere too. Here in the UK the NHS does technically subsidise dental care.. if you can actually find a dentist willing to do NHS care..

Because it's entirely optional. And why would you accept NHS patients when you can charge so much more for private?

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u/Mesoposty 28d ago

How we didn’t vote for this man to be our president drives me crazy. He actually cares about us, cares about the country, cares about everyone no matter what side they are on.

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u/supergrover11 28d ago

Hands down the only current politician that I believe is truly trying to make my life better all the time. I got that feeling from Al Franken as well. Miss that guy.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

the one people that ousted al franklen regretted it. and now we have someone like FETTERMan who recently became very wishwashy.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

well to be fair his brain got wished and washed by god

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u/M0rninPooter 27d ago

That’s why. America isn’t allowed to have nice things. Unless it benefits corporate America.

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u/Harv3yBallBang3r 28d ago

We have the DNC to thank for that. They rammed Hillary down our throats and let Trump slide into the Presidency, his constituents fueled almost entirely by spite.

The DNC not giving the nomination to Bernie was like SCOTUS stopping the recount for Bush/Gore, in my mind. Except this time it was done by my own fucking party. Christ, even thinking about this shit boils my blood.

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u/sly-3 27d ago

If she was smart, she'd have chosen Bernie as VP instead of that nobody Kaine.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

Part of it was due to comer investigation at the last moments and russian interference, she sitll wouldve won despite doing it to bernie, but all that shit happened just before election really trashed her chances.

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u/paintballboi07 27d ago

The DNC did do Bernie dirty, and I voted for him, but he did lose the primary. His demographic was more young, and young people just don't vote in primaries. I wish he would have won, but it definitely wasn't anything as close as Bush/Gore was.

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u/caniuserealname 27d ago

cares about everyone no matter what side they are on

Thats kind of why though.

A whole lot of people, all over the world, would rather vote against someone who supports people they don't like, even if it means depriving themselves of support.

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u/Clean-Yam7 27d ago

Because the president isn't actually elected, it's just whatever the corps bought, I doubt he makes any real calls. His sponsors decide what laws get passed. They create chaos and pit Americans against each other, Trump vs bdien, rep vs Democrat, meanwhile, no one has the time to question why are things like this and do something about it, because everyone is busy fighting and arguing. 

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u/TheZebrraKing 27d ago

The second he said he was a socialist he lost all votes from people who went though the Cold War era. People who look into him do know the difference between communist socialism and socialism Sanders advocates for. But a lot of people are scared by that word no matter the context

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u/SeeBadd 27d ago

That's why the rich people in charge, specifically the ones in charge of the DNC, didn't want him.

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u/kryppla 27d ago

I voted for him in the primary

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u/Boring-Fox-142 27d ago

4 years and to this day, I’m still annoyed he didn’t win.

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u/Lazy_Squash_8423 28d ago

God I wish it was. I have health and dental. The dental work I need is around 10k. None of it cosmetic. The cap on my insurance is $900. It’s stupid.

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u/On_my_last_spoon 28d ago

We have damn good dental insurance and still had to pay $10k for my husband’s gum work because the problem wasn’t bad enough for insurance to cover it! If we didn’t have that money we would have had to allow his gums to deteriorate before getting them fixed.

That makes no sense

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u/Millkstake 28d ago

Dental insurance only really covers preventative care and the occasional cavity, and even then you have to pay some. Everything else is basically out of pocket. It's barely even worth having, may as well not even exist

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

pretty much, either or they cover half only. Also i noticed some dentists dont take insurance some times, because of low reimbursments.

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u/FISHING_100000000000 27d ago

Almost all of the at least half-decent dentists around me have dropped all insurance networks and have moved to charging upfront and submitting the claim for the patient.

My dental insurance has been auto denying every single claim and I have to go and appeal online. Then after 3 days it’s mostly paid for with no complaining. It’s a fucking racket all the way down.

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u/Rumblecard 28d ago

Both my wife and I needed dental work. I put it off. Then got a dental plan when I renewed our health insurance.

Finally put it to use and found that the insurance hardly covers anything. Still ended up with thousands in dental bills.

Fucking worthless state of a health system.

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u/loopnlil 28d ago

I work in dental. I see this every day. Teeth are indeed luxury bones.

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u/wolfguardian72 28d ago

Amen to that. I can’t afford dental and I’ve got one tooth missing, two broken, and one with a dead root. Plus all my other teeth probably loaded with cavities. 😅😅 can’t have shit

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

might want to look into mexico, or an asian country,thailand.

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u/bron685 28d ago

“Poor teeth” is definitely a thing. I was 31 before I could get braces

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

I was supposed to get jaw surgery before my braces,now i regret it.

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u/Zerachiel_01 27d ago

Also depression teeth

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u/Extreme-Carrot6893 28d ago

Why is dental, eye and ear care separate in the first place.

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u/Candid-Mycologist539 27d ago

Why is dental, eye and ear care separate in the first place.

And until Obamacare, mental health services were a not really covered either.

It's like: health care only includes from the neck down.

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u/EvulRabbit 28d ago

Bad teeth are deadly. It's not about cosmetics.

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u/Guilty-Nobody998 27d ago

As someone who works 40 hours a week making 22/hour with dental insurance and shitty teeth I concur.

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u/Sayoayo 28d ago

What about our eyeballs? I like those being covered too

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u/HellishChildren 28d ago

Ok. puts hands over your eyes Better?

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u/Sayoayo 28d ago

I dunno. It's kind of almost the same. Help.

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u/VegetableBox901 28d ago

Make no sense that they don't let him lead.
Must be a bad deal for the corporate and mobsters to let him lead, i guess.

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u/andre3kthegiant 28d ago

Teeth Luxury Bones

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u/jonny_jon_jon 28d ago

poor oral health is associated with heart issues. How does that maxim go? Oral health is the gateway for general health…

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u/DullCartographer7609 28d ago

Yeah I had to drop 4 Gs on a root canal

With insurance

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u/Jagerstang 28d ago

Dental insurance is barely insurance at all.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

also root canals and crowns are rarely covered by insurance if at all. and implants are considered cosmetic.

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u/DullCartographer7609 28d ago

Yeah and that's not even the end of the procedure. My wife's gotta go back and get another tooth done

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u/nedjer1 28d ago

At last a policy with a bit of bite, something to wrap your gums around and get your teeth into.

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u/SydneyRei 28d ago

Bernie, hire this man ☝🏻

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u/yul_yyz 28d ago

Heck. Reading that hit hard. In my 35 years of age I’ve only been to the dentist once here in the U.S. This one time here in the States was at USC as a teen with dental students.

Another time in Tijuana, Mexico and the other two times in South Korea where it was covered through my workplace health insurance. Til this day I still have crooked ass teeth, but it really is too expensive for me to consider braces.

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u/RoyalTopaz77 28d ago

Good ol luxury bones.

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u/ubiquity75 28d ago

This is correct. Kids die from infections in their teeth.

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u/merryjoanna 27d ago

MaineCare started covering dental about 2 years ago. Before that all they would cover was an emergency extraction. Because of that, I am missing 3 molars now at 39 years old. I went 14 years without a dental cleaning. My first one after that was before MaineCare covered it. It cost me $300 cash because I had so much plaque on my teeth it needed descaling. I couldn't afford it on my own, an ex boyfriend was kind enough to pay for it. It would have been much more expensive if I hadn't gone to the nicest dental hygienist I've ever met. It should have been at least $500. Because I also got sealants and the stuff that sealed cavities so they don't continue to decay.

I've since gotten a failed root canal and crown. 18 months after I got it, my tooth broke off at the root. So I had to get it surgically removed. Obviously I never would have been able to afford any of that.

I've gotten all but 2 of my fillings done. It's taking forever just to find a dental office that takes MaineCare patients. And with a minimum of 6-9 months to even get an appointment and needing so many, it will be at least November before I will finally have all my work done. I needed somewhere between 8-10 teeth filled total. Most of those were more than one cavity per tooth.

Before MaineCare started covering dental, I had resigned myself to living in constant pain, and eventually needing to get all my teeth removed. And probably never being able to afford dentures. So this has all been life changing to me.

I also think if people had dental care we wouldn't be having so many issues with bacteria evolving to become resistant to antibiotics. Because before dental care, I was constantly having to go get antibiotics for tooth infections. It used to be maybe 3-6 times per year. Since I've had dental care, I've needed antibiotics once. After the tooth root extraction got infected. It can't be good for so many people to need antibiotics several times per year.

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u/levelzerogyro 27d ago

I'm on disability. I can't get dental care. I need 34 fillings, two extracftions, and a bunch of other stuff. It would cost $680 just for the anesthesia and medicare doens't cover it. I tried to go to a low cost clinic but they wanted me to open a credit card at 34% interest for a charge of 11k. I am literally getting repeat infections to the point where eventually it'll probably kill me, but I can't afford to get the care I need because disability gives me 1.2k/mo, and my kids need to eat. Hopefully I die before the pain gets too bad. It's been 4 years like this.

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u/Distinct-Pie7647 28d ago

Teeth are luxury bones.

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u/Objective_Celery_509 28d ago

Gingivitis has eroded the gum lines of this great nation for too long!

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u/waxylombaxy 28d ago

But I had so much fun taking out a personal loan to cover my root canal.

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u/guarionex2009 28d ago

I never understood why health insurance is separate from dental and vision. It could be so much simpler.

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u/LitreOfCockPus 27d ago

Just ask "What would lose insurance companies money?" and you begin to understand US healthcare.

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u/PuzzleheadedGur506 27d ago

It's how the VA guarantees veterans in their care will die from infected gums and get to write them out of their books for good.

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u/snuffy_tentpeg 27d ago

I don't agree with much Bernie says but support this entirely

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u/Alien_Cha1r 27d ago

As a European I am so very confused why this guy is not your presidential favorite? Like, you guys have on of the most thriving economies (even though it's mostly due to unethical practices but lets not into that now), yet almost nothing trickles down to society itself.

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u/Lilly-_-03 27d ago

Because

nothing trickles down to society itself

This is kinda our right-wing politicians idea of the perfect society.

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u/peoplesuck357 27d ago

you guys have on of the most thriving economies (even though it's mostly due to unethical practices but lets not into that now)

The people against him think that he would ruin that. Some of his supporters probably think it's a risk worth taking.

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u/Quick_Delivery_7266 27d ago

This was the only politician Americans should have voted for in the last decade

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u/LaserKittenz 27d ago

One could argue that free dental care would also increase the pool of available soldiers in case of war.  At least that was the thinking in ww2

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u/Uraneum 27d ago

Fun fact: Medicaid doesn’t cover root canals, only tooth extractions. So if you’re on Medicaid and your tooth gets infected, you just straight up have to pay thousands of dollars or you lose your tooth

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u/PavelDatsyuk 27d ago

Depends on your state. As of last year in the state of Michigan root canals are covered and you can get one crown every five years. Before that they only covered extractions, though.

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u/DorkyBit 27d ago

Health, dental, eye care should be wrapped up in one when it comes to insurance. Having bad teeth is like a badge for not having good insurance. And the stigma behind it is aweful. "their teeth are bad.. They must be a drug addict" Fuck you! I was born, with a hereditary defect where I had little to no enamel. You could literally see through the bottom of my teeth. I was prescribed a novamin tooth paste but lost insurance so I lost that prescription... PSA AMERICA is the ONLY country that holds novamin hostage. In EVERY OTHER COUNTRY it is OTC. So I buy it online.. And it costs me LESS than it would with a prescription here. It's a revolutionary scientific discovered mineral that binds with your existing enamel. Without it, my teeth would be gone. Fuck this system.

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u/sheepyowl 27d ago

Bernie keeps saying good things. However, he lacks political power as the US has a two-party system, making his words more of a false advertisement for a party which will not enact his policies.

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u/HorrorInvestigator99 27d ago

bernie is the only mf polly I trust

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u/b00g3rw0Lf 27d ago

God bless Bernie. He's honestly the only one who i feel cares about me

No one else is like this

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u/StillKnerves 27d ago

I have insurance through my local dentist office ($45/mo). Not sure if it’s a scam or not, but it covers the basics I think? Anyway, got xrays and was told one of my canines had a unique case of resorption going on and was referred to a specialist as well as told that I could either see them to get it addressed or good luck either way the gamble. Two separate medical emergencies happened last year and Imm only just now financially recovering to a base 0, soooooooo looks like I’ll take gambling as my only viable option.

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u/Caimin_80 27d ago

It's amazing how many people call this guy a crazy lunatic Marxist. He's the most sensible person I've ever seen in politics. The propaganda is so strong in the US. People routinely vote against their own interests.

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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 27d ago

Bernie is so right.

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u/Dat_Basshole 27d ago

The way insurance is structured teeth are "Luxury Bones."

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u/Libran-Indecision 27d ago

When you have to deal with the cost of necessary dental work, treating bad eyesight, and being a lifelong hearing aid wearer, you sometimes have to pick and choose what gets done.

I have an aging front tooth permanent crown that the dentist will insist on replacing if they have to glue it on again. Easy $500 right there.

My hearing aids are really old and even with decent wages I can't afford financing new ones ($5K easy).

Glasses and contacts to cover bad eyesight from birth? There's a few hundred more to spend.

My health insurance only covers an annual audiology exam and $1500 towards one hearing aid.

'Murica!

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u/wintremute 27d ago

Poor dental health also leads to many, many, other health problems.

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u/nosmartypants 27d ago

This is 100% accurate. Teeth are essential for nutrition, poor seniors are at risk for malnutrition because of this. And what’s up w/vision? America is so broken I can’t wrap my head around it.

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u/HB1theHB1 28d ago

Not electing Bernie is gonna end up haunting the US for a long time.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

As long as we have Republicans, we'll have shitty, for profit healthcare.

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u/Clever_Mercury 27d ago

This is true, but I want to just emphasize how important it is for children/teenagers. The 'mistakes' or the missed opportunity to correct small cavities has a lifetime of consequence and a long-term burden of pain that can worsen the rest of their health.

It's also a quiet signal of family social class that the child in no way chooses or deserves. Crooked teeth, broken teeth means the parents cannot or will not fix the situation, but it's the child who carries the social consequences and the health consequences. And I want to emphasize that MEDICAL NEGLECT is real.

It's a terrible, terrible oversight that we don't already have this fixed as a nation.

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u/fastermouse 28d ago

We can count on Bernie to tweet about.

Sadly that’s all he does.

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u/DifficultyWithMyLife 27d ago

Getting things done in Congress requires people of like mind to band together. Sadly, there aren't too many who hold the same values and goals as Bernie Sanders. What do you expect him to do by himself?

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u/Catinthemirror 27d ago

Dental health has a direct impact on cardiac health. It's ridiculous to have it separated.

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u/Throwawayac1234567 27d ago

having dental issue, is dangerous, since a caries tooth can result in a pulp infection, then root, or abscess. my bro dint have dental healthcare for a while, the abscess ballooned his gums to a small lemon. it was not pleasant.

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u/Sudnal 27d ago

Luxury Bones!

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u/ostrieto17 27d ago

It still baffles me that having teeth is considered luxury and not health care, same with eye problems and glasses

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u/AmberRosin 27d ago

I get free dental but I still get the already paid bills in the mail, if they ever decided to just charge me for everything from the past 5 years it’d drain my entire savings.

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u/mushuggarrrr 27d ago

Cries in British

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u/eric-price 27d ago

Dental care seems like such a perfect place to try out "health care for all".

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

British people are probably steaming right now. Those poor poor people.

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u/skekze 27d ago

It is easier to build strong children than it is to fix broken men. - Frederick Douglass

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u/AuntJenniePooPoo 27d ago

I need 3 implants. It will take 6 years of my current $1500 max to accomplish this. 6 years of my jaw bones moving around because teeth are missing, and making my TMJ worse. And I have "good" dental.

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u/Toni_PWNeroni 27d ago

Fuck, i read this and his voice said it in my head.

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u/eoThica 27d ago

America couldnt address saving their own life lol

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u/V6Ga 27d ago

Can we make this octogenarian the boss please?

And Larry David the VP

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u/Don_SnailKong 27d ago

A great point and good luck pushing that narrative. My wife is a dentist, most of her friends are too and I do not know a single of them having any other opinion that's what Bernie states here.

However, my limited knowledge tells me that oral health being an indication of general health is hardly accepted by some if not many doctors. It's weird. The country I live in has free healthcare but not for dentistry after the age of 21. It really is saddening to see people being anxious about their smile due to poor oral health

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u/MarkXIX 27d ago

I remember when I had a lapse in dental insurance coverage as a result of deploying to Afghanistan. While I was gone my daughter’s teeth came in in such a way that she would lose adult teeth if she didn’t get braces immediately.

Went to orthodontist in town and braces treatment was $2,500 out of pocket on an installment plan with no insurance. Okay, fine, it needs to be done. They tell us though that she’ll need a second course of braces when all of her adult teeth finally come in.

For the second round I have insurance, tell me why they charged insurance $5,000 with me paying $2,500 (50%) when it was $2,500 TOTAL the first time?!

I hate this place. Also, the orthodontist has a three kitchen house. You heard me right, he has three KITCHENS in his multi-million dollar house.

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u/MsSeraphim 27d ago

so are the need for eyeglasses for seniors. still waiting as medicare doesn't cover them.

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u/Away-Owl-4541 27d ago

USAF Vet here. I’m rated 80% disabled and VA still doesn’t cover dental unless you’re 100% or have a specific service connected injury having to do with teeth… yet I have everything else covered. Make it make sense 😭

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u/AlienRapBattle 27d ago

If you don’t take care of your teeth it could lead to heart disease and other horrible things

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u/93wasagoodyear 27d ago

I just keep having mine pulled out.. it's too expensive to actually fix them

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u/RowenaOblongata 27d ago

Bad teeth? Move to the UK - you'll fit right in.

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u/thesarc 27d ago

Poor dental health is more than stigma, it can cause or complicate so many other medical issues.

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u/Complete-Fix-3954 27d ago

I’ve actually had to talk about this in therapy. I’m in my late 30s, grew up poor, and didn’t go to the dentist until I turned 18-19. Had a bunch of work done all at once and the dentist messed up on two teeth. FF to now and I’m terrified of going PLUS the cost. It’s an anxiety shitshow and I have a cracked tooth that is giving me a wild toothache.

I wish my family could have afforded dental care when I was young so I developed healthy habits, now I feel so overwhelmed that I deal with the pain.

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u/noienoah 27d ago

Dental insurance is a fucking scam. Specifically Delta dental. Problem is they are in bed with politicians

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u/Silent-Breath2391 27d ago

Dealing with this currently. Wasn't the best taking care of teeth in my teens, and have tried to be much better the last few years, but I'm constantly having the interal struggle of wanting to fix the issues I have dental wise but not wanting to go into serious debt for it.

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u/dannyjimp 27d ago

So do something, senator.

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u/elyk12121212 27d ago

Even with insurance it will cost me over $30,000 out of pocket to get my teeth fixed. That is more money than I made last year.

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u/KingOlaf1 27d ago

you tell those snaggle toothed bastards. Vote for Bernie!

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u/Madpup70 27d ago

One of my favorite things I've seen the past few years is this group that brings a mobile dentistry/optometry to our area schools and offers checkups and basic care for students without insurance. A lot of my students got their first pair of glasses this year because of it. It's so fun watching kids out on glasses and finally realize how crap their vision previously was.

"Mr. Madpup, it's like I'm seeing everything in 4k!"

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u/optimusprime82 27d ago

I just postponed a dental appointment because I'm worried about the bill. I have very good dental insurance, according to my dentist, but it doesn't take long to hit my maximum, and then it's all out of pocket after that. I pay for a voucher dental plan that has a $2,000 max, instead of $1,500, and it goes up by $100 every year if I get my routine cleaning.

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u/Logical-Barnacle-626 27d ago

Let me push real quick for a group called Remote Area Medical, they do weekend pop-up clinics around the country and provide free dental and vision services. I hate that so many people are reliant on something like that instead of a system that works, but just wanted to publicize people doing good until it gets fixed

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u/hightide89 27d ago

Teeth are luxury bones.

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u/Nackles 27d ago

Putting aside Bernie's general tightness on the issue: This is why making fun of teeth is classist.

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u/kryppla 27d ago

health + dental + vision, then nationalize it/single payer.

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u/ThePepperDutchess 27d ago

We need universal health care that includes dental work. People make such horrible judgements on you for bad teeth. It affects every aspect of your life: the jobs that will hire you, if you're considered for promotion, possible friends/dates.

I no longer smile without covering my mouth.

**Edited for grammar correction.

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u/PacificCoolerIsBest 26d ago

I'm comfortable with my height. But man if I could fix my mess of a mouth just enough to smile in the mirror and not feel like shit. I loved when I could wear a mask to hide my mouth and no one said shit about it.