r/facepalm May 17 '24

"I didn't open my US history textbook as a child so you're wrong" 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/Foreign_Profile3516 May 17 '24

That’s a real picture. Taken in front of Michigan carbon works. Buffalo bones were used make Fertilizer. Most were killed in the late 1800’s. By 1884 There were only a few hundred left In the country. Estimated To be about 180k skulls in the picture.

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u/EternalSkwerl May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

There are now more than 300k. For such a slow breeding species their return has been spectacular. They are near threatened and just generally a sick ass creature.

I love that we were able to stop our ancestors from completely destroying such a wonderful creature.

Edit: why are so many people mad that Bison aren't extinct?

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u/StolenSkittles May 18 '24

And Ted Turner (founder of CNN, creator of Captain Planet) of all people is responsible for a big part of that return.

He decided that the best way to bring them back was to convince people that they taste good so the market would have an incentive to put money into raising more. So he started a restaurant that served bison burgers and bought a gigantic chunk of Montana specifically as bison ranching space.

Ted's a cool guy overall, and one who doesn't get enough credit for that.

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u/TheConnASSeur May 18 '24

I remember when Turner bought a huge catalog of old movies, which is where Turner Classic Movies began, and he wanted to colorize them for modern (90's) audiences. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg of all people led this huge movement to "protect the artistic integrity of the original films," which they believed would be ruined by colorizing them. Ironic, considering that Lucas spent the last 20 years, before he sold Star Wars to Disney, doing everything he could to keep people from watching the original, unedited theatrical release versions of the original Star Wars Trilogy.

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u/Walopoh May 18 '24

They wanted to colorize Citizen Kane, so not long before Orson Welles died he was quoted saying "Don't let Ted Turner deface my movie with his crayons”

Also the boss in The Critic was based on Ted Turner and they parodied all this to hell and back

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u/Iohet May 18 '24

Also the boss in The Critic was based on Ted Turner and they parodied all this to hell and back

John Glover's character in Gremlins 2 is also based on Ted Turner in rather amusing fashion

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u/ImTheOriginalSam May 18 '24

I thought clamp was supposed to be trump? Doesn’t the whole movie take place in Clamp Tower?

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u/Wax_and_Wane May 18 '24

he's a mix of both. The 'end of the world' broadcast halfway though the movie for the Clamp network was based on the Actual Turner Network 'Doomsday video' that was intended to air in the event of nuclear war.

In the script, Clamp was a much more overtly Trumpian asshole, and was intended to die via the 'tie caught in paper shredder' scene, but Dante changed his mind once they started shooting and saw how damn charismatic John Glover was.

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u/TWiThead May 18 '24

I'll be terribly disappointed if the upcoming Gremlins 3 doesn't feature US President Daniel Clamp – and Greta, the First Lady.

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u/NateHate May 18 '24

GREMLINS TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE!

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u/RedEyeVagabond May 18 '24

Oh, man. The Critic is so good.

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u/aoskunk May 18 '24

I wonder if it holds up to my very fond memories.

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u/RedEyeVagabond May 18 '24

I watched some episodes not too long ago. Still holds up. Of course, a lot of old pop culture references, but it doesn't diminish the humor.

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u/aoskunk May 18 '24

Sweet think I’ll torrent the whole series and binge.

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u/smellvin_moiville May 18 '24

There less of it then you remember. Such a gem tho

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u/BetaOscarBeta May 18 '24

Rosebud Frozen Peas lives rent-free in my head.

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u/herculesmeowlligan May 18 '24

DUKE STATUE: ALL HAIL DUKE! DUKE IS LIFE! ALL- bird flies into mouth

Duke: "That keeps happening. Pigeons just seem to like the sound of my-" bird flies into mouth

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u/dego_frank May 18 '24

It stinks

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u/Manisil May 18 '24

That isn't true. Ted was on the forefront of the resurgence of Citizen Kane after it was pretty much black-listed after release by William Randolph Hearst (the movie was popular over-seas, but Hearst had pretty much every distribution network in his pocket and he hated the movie because it was loosely about him). When he wanted to re-release it in color, Henry Jaglom (a director and friend of Welles) stated in an interview a conversation he had with Orson Welles a few weeks before his (Welles) death about not wanting the movie colorized. Jaglom is a membor of the DGA, and the backlash with that union severe enough that Ted canceled all of his plans to colorize old movies.

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u/Vardisk May 18 '24

Kinda sucks that he had to convince people to eat them to get them to care about saving them at all.

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u/Shortstop88 May 18 '24

Y’all, I have a fantastic idea on how to make the government put more effort into stopping school shootings! /s

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u/Muted_Ad9910 May 18 '24

I was in MT recently and drove past his ranch. The buffalo were out grazing. It’s a beautiful area.

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u/mung_guzzler May 18 '24

til teds montana grill is ted turners

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u/GeezeLouis May 18 '24

I worked at a Ted’s for about 5 years and it was by far the best restaurant I have ever worked for

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u/firesoul377 May 18 '24

He decided that the best way to bring them back was to convince people that they taste good so the market would have an incentive to put money into raising more. So he started a restaurant that served bison burgers and bought a gigantic chunk of Montana specifically as bison ranching space.

That is actually genius. Who thought that a species would be saved by eating them.

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u/cbarnett97 May 18 '24

Hunting is helping to save some species in Africa. That fact that people will pay lots of money to kill a rhino in South Africa so people are figuring out that more rhinos means more money. And the populations are growing while some of the countries that do not allow hunting are not seeing the same results.

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u/ztom93 May 18 '24

Makes enough sense right? No one is worried that chickens, cows or pigs are gonna go extinct.

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u/nytocarolina May 18 '24

I believe the was the largest private land owner in the US for quite a while. He was brilliant and was right about so many things.

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u/Elegant_Conflict8235 May 18 '24

Edit: why are so many people mad that Bison aren't extinct?

I love this comment. You can ask this question about literally any topic. There is always someone, a contrarian, a pessimist, someone having a bad day, or just a cold hateful person out there shitting on the most random things

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u/csfshrink May 18 '24

Why are so many people mad that contrarians aren’t extinct?

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u/Slimmanoman May 18 '24

Why are so many people mad that contrarians aren’t extinct?

I love this comment. You can ask this question about literally any topic. There is always someone, a contrarian, a pessimist, someone having a bad day, or just a cold hateful person out there shitting on the most random things

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u/Tiki-Jedi May 18 '24

The amount of work that has gone into saving the bison is insane. Carelessness, colonialism, and plain old racism nearly wiped them out in just a few decades, and it has taken nearly two centuries to get them back on track.

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u/Karmas_burning May 18 '24

Many people fall into the "just get over it" crowd when it comes to Native Americans and their issues.

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u/yticmic May 18 '24

Those people sound like assholes

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u/Karmas_burning May 18 '24

You're right and there's a lot of them.

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u/Burger_Destoyer May 18 '24

If only Native American culture survived as well as those buffalo…

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u/PinkIrrelephant May 18 '24

Many native cultures are still alive, they aren't gone.

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u/Burger_Destoyer May 18 '24

Not gone but 95% will never recover their original aspects

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u/Wackydetective May 18 '24

What are you talking about? Our culture never died, we had to hide to preserve it. We had our ceremonies in secret. However, those days are gone and we are still very much here.

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u/EternalSkwerl May 18 '24

I sure agree but I'm at least happy something was saved.

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u/Opening_Classroom_46 May 18 '24

Being a good person is seen as a left wing virtue, so whenever something good happens there's going to be right wingers attacking it as political theater.

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u/Dolichovespula- May 18 '24

Aren’t most not pure bison? Like the numbers were so low they had to cross-breed them with cattle?

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u/kittyfeeler May 18 '24

Yeah this is true. Most bison have varying amounts of cattle DNA in them. You'd never really know by looking at them though.

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u/Verminnesotanboio May 18 '24

I was literally shown this photo by a ranger at Theodore Roosevelt National Park, ND.

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u/UeckerisGod May 18 '24

I know they went after buffalo as a means of controlling the plains tribes, but there was also a lot of industry in killing buffalo too. In fact, I think they may have started hunting buffalo before they knew how much of an effect it would have on native populations. The Comanche noticed less buffalo each year long before the federal government was involved in expanding into the plains states. The lack of buffalo only lead to the Comanche to attacking more settlements and other plains tribes. Empire of the Summer Moon is an incredible read for anyone interested in the history and colonization of the Southwest US, and the plains tribes

Unrelated to that last bit, Nicholas Cage recently did a decent movie about a crazed buffalo hunter

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u/TutuBramble May 18 '24

You are correct that fur hunters were involved before the federal government, and there was a huge industry prior to any federal or state policies. At least as far as I remember

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u/nogoodgreen May 17 '24 edited May 18 '24

"You cant stack buffalo bones that high"

Now if we were talking regular cow bones you could build a skyscraper out of them. Seriously though nobody show this man people stacking a deck of cards into a tower, will blow his mind that stuff that isnt bricks can indeed be stacked.

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u/lucaskywalker May 17 '24

You laugh, but in Czech Republic, they have a church made completely of human bones. There are tons of crypts, also make of bones inside. I went there it is crazy!

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u/Business-Drag52 May 18 '24

Okay so the church isn’t made entirely of bones. But it does have an awful lot of them contained inside including a chandelier

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u/TankApprehensive3053 May 18 '24

There's a few places like that. Another is the Douaumont Ossuary at the site of the Battle of Verdun. It has windows to look at the stacked bones from the outside and you can see more when you go inside the building. I saw it in 1992.

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u/DemonoftheWater May 18 '24

Isn’t the french catacombs kind of in this vein?

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u/TankApprehensive3053 May 18 '24

They are. IIRC there are places in Asia and Mexico also.

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u/gbot1234 May 18 '24

No the veins are decomposed. It’s just bones, I’m afraid.

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u/Illustrious-Onion329 May 18 '24

Sedlec Ossuary. I’ve been there. It was freaky but had a definite feel of the sacred.

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u/LizzieThatGirl May 18 '24

And people say necromancers aren't real

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u/Vincenzobeast May 18 '24

That sounds freaky.

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u/Atillawurm May 18 '24

Really cool to look at though, quite a good Google image search, if I remember correctly they were running out of room in the cemetery and just decided to start decorating.

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u/Kamikazeguy7 May 18 '24

Oh sure, when the Czechs do it it's ok. But when I do it, the cops show up.

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u/TankApprehensive3053 May 18 '24

You have to clean them completely 1st. Any flesh left on the bones would rot & stink. Your neighbors would not be happy.

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u/Thatparkjobin7A May 18 '24

I'd never done a crazy thing in my life before that night. Why is it that if a man kills another man in battle it's called heroic, yet if he kills a man in the heat of passion it's called murder?

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u/CorgiMonsoon May 18 '24

When a man pees standing up it’s “normal,” but when a woman does it it's “weeeird”

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u/solemn_penguin May 18 '24

When I get a pet from the animal shelter I'm a hero, but when I get my girlfriend from the women's shelter...(I'm quoting a Kyle Kinane bit here)

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u/NowWatchMeThwip616 May 18 '24

When a woman licks her lips it's sexy, but when a man does it he's "weird" and "should get off her lips".

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u/chilehead May 18 '24

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

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u/RecordingPure1785 May 18 '24

That sounds metal af. Sweden, do you have a response to this?

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u/Nadathug May 18 '24

Just Googled it, this Czechs out

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u/Icy-Welcome-2469 May 18 '24

The picture is also just all buffalo skulls.  Does this make it more possible or less possible?

Was making a pile of bones impossible but slaughtering 40million buffalo while laying 1083 miles of railroad ok?  Or is it just all AI!?

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u/Longjumping-Claim783 May 18 '24

I'm kind of curious WHY they stacked the skulls like this? Just to make a weird picture? Seems like a lot of effort.

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u/octowussy May 18 '24

It was 1892. Nobody had anything better to do.

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u/CyberneticPanda May 18 '24

The Yucatan peninsula is basically bones stacked miles deep. However, it should be noted that there were plenty of native american buffalo hunters, too. The introduction of horses and guns and the demand for hides is what drove bison (not buffalo, which are not native to America) to the brink of extinction. The introduction of horses made the hunting range expand and caused intertribal conflict before Europeans spread west. Europeans definitely killed lots of bison too, but the population would have collapsed without them just from the horses, guns, and market.

This picture is not of white men killing bison. It's of white men at a processing plant outside of Detroit where bison never lived standing on a huge pile of bison skulls collected months to years after the bison were killed for their hides and left to rot. The bones were scavenged and shipped east for industrial processing, mostly for processing sugar. They turn the bones into charcoal called bone char and use it to whiten sugar. That is still done today using livestock bones.

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u/10ebbor10 May 18 '24

The Yucatan peninsula is basically bones stacked miles deep. However, it should be noted that there were plenty of native american buffalo hunters, too. The introduction of horses and guns and the demand for hides is what drove bison (not buffalo, which are not native to America) to the brink of extinction. The introduction of horses made the hunting range expand and caused intertribal conflict before Europeans spread west. Europeans definitely killed lots of bison too, but the population would have collapsed without them just from the horses, guns, and market.

The bison populations survived horses, guns and native hide demand for more than a century, the populations only collapsed in the late 19th century, as native hunting became displaced by wholesale slaughter of herds primarly practiced by western settlers.

It's why you had those massive piles of bones that could be scavenged, it's just not commercially viable to gather bones from individual bison that would have been gathered by the much smaller tribes.

It also omits the fact that the US government encouraged the extermination of the bison as a deliberate plan to weaken the indigenous populations that depended on it.

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u/sennbat May 18 '24

Buffalo is a perfectly valid and accepted name for American Bison. Saying they are "not buffalo" is simple ignorance. They are not Old World Buffalo (Bubbalina), but they are definitely buffalo.

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u/SoylentGrunt May 17 '24

*Bison.

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u/23skidoobbq May 17 '24

Bison Bill shot all these bison from his cabin in Bison, NY. Then had bison wings at ye olde hooters pub

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u/bighammy6969 May 17 '24

Not bison wild wings?

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u/Anon28301 May 17 '24

I saw this pic on a documentary a few years back. Sad that people can just say “lol AI” to actual documented history.

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u/LurkerOrHydralisk May 17 '24

The future is Orwellian af

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u/Monty2451 May 17 '24

"Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but more merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain."

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u/Cannabis_Breeder May 17 '24

Never have truer words been spoke 😭

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u/Ostracus May 18 '24

Dystopians are easier to do. That's why our media has more of it.

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u/ThyPotatoDone May 18 '24

I mean, utopia is arguably impossible to even consider, as there’s simply no way to create a society that makes everyone happy, even setting aside the question of resources and human biology demanding certain stresses placed on it to maintain peak function.

Even speculative fiction tends to fail at trying to describe utopia; literally just check the OG namer for Utopia, it was the author’s best attempt at imagining a perfect society and it’s a slaving, racist, authoritarian society with a religious mandate maintaining order.

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u/SecureDonkey May 18 '24

Remind me of Matrix. The machine built an utopia Matrix for human at first but almost no one believe it so they end up just make a regular one.

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u/RazekDPP May 18 '24

That was simply the excuse for making it like the late 1990s.

If you gave most people a home, three square meals a day, free public transportation, and plenty of free entertainment, most people would accept it.

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u/LionBirb May 18 '24

You need some source of conflict to make it interesting (in fiction I mean). So utopia's always have an in group and out group, hidden corruption/lies/etc.

I might be willing to believe a near utopia is possible with advanced enough technology and the right methods, but we might lose a lot of what makes life interesting. Like in The Giver.

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u/a_phantom_limb May 18 '24

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.

Forever.

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u/TheCommonKoala May 18 '24

What is the origin of this quote?

Edit: 1984

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u/TheGuardianInTheBall May 18 '24

IMO it's both Orwellian and Huxleyan(?)

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u/Reptard77 May 18 '24

Orwell with a dash of Huxley.

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u/johnnyss1 May 17 '24

George Orwell was AI’s pen name

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u/SoylentGrunt May 17 '24

The real threat posed by AI is misinformation and that includes revisionist history.

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u/Snow-Wraith May 17 '24

And it's so easy too, because all someone with bad intentions needs to do is give just a little bit of reinforcement to the crazy ideas people already come up with on their own. We already had a large amount of Holocaust deniers before AI, and so many people denying the pandemic without help from AI. Like most security systems, the weakest link is the human component because people are so gullible.

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u/PlayingTheWrongGame May 18 '24

Oh, yeah. Some people are going to fall so deep into misinformation that they become detached from reality. People already do that, but it’s going to get so much worse.

Ex. There’s people today who deny that nuclear weapons exist. 

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u/thejadedfalcon May 18 '24

There’s people today who deny that nuclear weapons exist.

you what.

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u/98680266 May 18 '24

Well don’t worry one day they will accept it for one second like the end of Rogue One

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u/Otherwise-Sky8890 May 18 '24

Modern civilization would not thrive without detachment from reality. People identified as such are even more severely detached, or in ways that are not considered acceptable by their culture.

And, sometimes, they're thrown under the bus by a Karen who literally provides false information regarding behaviors or statements.

Real shitshow, mental health.

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u/Sure-Psychology6368 May 18 '24

Unfortunately so true, we have to be detached to function. Truly acknowledge all the horrible shit going on destroys mental health. Even acknowledging where most of our products come from is depressing. Sometimes I’ll think about where some random thing I own came from and remember some sweat shop worker in Asia working 12+ hour days for pennies put my shoes together. Also the environment aspect. Existing in a 1st world country essentially means you have to indirectly (or directly) rely on the exploitation of others to live that lifestyle.

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u/Jstephe25 May 18 '24

Maybe that’s why conservatives want to ban and destroy so many books that contradict their ideology. If it was printed before AI and photoshop existed, it’s harder to disprove the content

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u/the_clash_is_back May 18 '24

This is why physical media needs to be protected. Why art galleries and museums are so important.

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u/ReiperXHC May 17 '24

The West by Ken Burns

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u/1amDepressed May 17 '24

Also in his newer docu-series The American Buffalo

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u/Thirty_Helens_Agree May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

That was an excellent series.

I’m no fan of bullfights, but I did find the story about the buffalo vs bulls in the Juarez bullfighting arena to be pretty darn interesting.

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u/tinteoj May 18 '24

I've been to Juarez and if you take away the cartel violence (a big "if") it's one of my favorite cities I've been to.

There is just such a tremendous amount of history there, in general. (And great food, which is one of the biggest criteria for "favorite city.")

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u/jonfe_darontos May 18 '24

In before auschwitz was an AI generated psyop to push liberal propaganda.

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u/sctlndjf May 18 '24

Before? I think I’ve already my seen that one.

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u/automaticfiend1 May 17 '24

That's the reality now. It doesn't jive with my worldview so it must be ai

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u/Cynykl May 17 '24

Everyone in this thread is sharing anecdotes from childhood. And that is fine because mostly no one is debating that fact it it is not AI . But anecdotes make for poor arguments.

Simple solution show the picture uploaded prior to AI art becoming a thing and that just shuts down any potential argument about it being AI.

https://digital.kenyon.edu/arthistorystudycollection/636/

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u/TamaraHensonDragon May 18 '24

Won't help, they will just say the description at the bottom of your link was the prompt 🙄 You can't educate stupid people, they will just come back with more stupid.

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u/No-Win-8264 May 18 '24

When Photoshop first came out it was observed that this gave dictators a way to deny the evidence of their crimes. AI art is simply more of the same .

And before AI and before Photoshop, people never let such a mawkish thing as evidence sway them away from a deeply-cherished belief. It changes nothing. "We all find what we truly seek."

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u/NyarlathotepHastur May 17 '24

Mostly children or stupid people.

They can’t help it.

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u/sandman716 May 17 '24 edited May 18 '24

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I love the I slept through history class, so you're wrong argument.

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Edit: fixed it.

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u/shoe_owner May 18 '24

I'm pretty sure the last comment there was being sarcastic at the expense of the person who made the first comment.

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u/somamosaurus May 18 '24

This is what makes punctuation so useful. All commenter #3 had to do was surround his comment with quotes, and we'd immediately have understood.

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u/Blepharoptosis May 18 '24

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u/NormalAssistance9402 May 18 '24

You’ve left your flanks wide open

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u/mrchillface May 18 '24

Perfect time for a pincer

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u/goatfuckersupreme May 18 '24

dont threaten me with a good time

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u/Magenta_Logistic May 18 '24
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u/thedishonestyfish May 17 '24

X'er here! I saw that shit when computer screens only had two colors: green, and black.

This is really just cognitive dissonance though: anything that doesn't fit my preconceived notions must be wrong AI generated.

Edit: Being real here though, even back then I didn't understand why they stacked that shit up. This is the kinda nonsense people did before there was social media, stacking skulls all day long.

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u/AsgeirVanirson May 17 '24

Pride, that's why they take the photos. to show off what an impressive pile of bison they have slaughtered and claimed the head trophies from(probably how they go paid to do the work).

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u/naughtycal11 May 17 '24

Bison bones were used in refining sugar, and in making fertilizer and fine bone china. This was just a pile waiting to be processed.

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u/ducknerd2002 May 17 '24

I reckon a mountain of bones would probably send an effective message.

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u/NuGGGzGG May 17 '24

The pyramids? Literally AI and it would've been impossible to stack stones that high

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u/grinklegrankle May 17 '24

Yeah of course, the aliens did it so it would make sense they use Alien Intelligence.

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u/DR_Bright_963 May 17 '24

Have you seen the Eiffel Tower? Pft, I haven't definitely AI lol.

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u/Ok_Risk8749 May 17 '24

The generation my kindergartener is in is going to have a hell of a time growing up online. That (reversed) image of John Kerry using his left arm during the national anthem plowing through Facebook. Now, you’re going deal with satellite footage of the literal country of Cuba making port in San Francisco to support a coup.

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u/Partingoways May 18 '24

Okay but like stupidity aside, the fact that our dumb people are already questioning reality cause of AI is worrying.

This rabbit hole is gonna get BIG

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u/summonsays May 18 '24

That's nothing new, people have denied historic facts for probably as long as we've had written history. The Holocaust and the moon landing come to mind.

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u/Only-Detective-146 May 18 '24

Spartacus and the spartans come to my mind as the oldest example of trying to wipe out history. Failed hillariously though.

Makes one think how much of history was lost, that we will never know about

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u/Ok-Pomegranate-3018 May 17 '24

We had this in our history books in school as well. I am 61. Before Texas became the state that re-writes history, the history books (at least, where I grew up) were relatively accurate.

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u/RedVamp2020 May 18 '24

I saw this in the late 1990s in elementary school in Utah and again in Jr High in the early 2000s. I sincerely hope enough people stand up and say that we need better education and better access to accurate information. I know I do.

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u/Active-Breakfast-397 May 17 '24

This exact photo is hanging in a museum in Branson, MO, with a statement about how many bison were killed (est. 31M from 1868-1881) but nothing about attempting to drive the Indians onto reservations.

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u/GracefulFaller May 18 '24

Yeah this is my problem with the discourse on this thread. People are clowning on the AI shit but not about the reason the bison were killed.

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u/Vi4days May 18 '24

According to this Wikipedia article about Bison hunting:

The US Army sanctioned and actively endorsed the wholesale slaughter of bison herds.[76] The federal government promoted bison hunting for various reasons, primarily to pressure the native people onto the Indian reservations during times of conflict by removing their main food source.[77][78] Without the bison, native people of the plains were often forced to leave the land or starve to death.

Also, included above this portion of text was that image of the person standing on top of all the skulls with the description describing what is being claimed about it.

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u/RealPanda20 May 18 '24

This as well as the fact that the US was industrializing and needed a shit ton of leather for belts and whatnot. They were just killing two birds with one stone.

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u/Derp35712 May 18 '24

I don’t know if it was that direct but they did kill buffalo to hurt Indians.

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u/Zezotas May 17 '24

I've searched about this image, said those pile of were stacked to become fertilizers. Is it true?(genuine question)

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u/Kahzootoh May 17 '24

Yes. There would be no reason to collect Buffalo bones in such a large concentration unless there was an economic incentive.

When these animals were killed, they usually died scattered across the Great Plains- hunters would often kill them for their pelts and leave most of the animal behind, people on trains would shoot at them for entertainment and leave the whole animal behind.

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u/Generalbuttnaked69 May 17 '24

Fertizer, glue and ash (for soap making) were some of the uses.

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u/givemeafuvkingname May 17 '24

Commwnt from another person on this post: "That’s a real picture. Taken in front of Michigan carbon works. Buffalo bones were used make Fertilizer. Most were killed in the late 1800’s. By 1884 There were only a few hundred left In the country. Estimated To be about 180k skulls in the picture."

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u/allothernamestaken May 17 '24

"Literally impossible"

Lol who made this guy an expert in how high bones can be stacked?

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u/Anne_Nonymouse May 17 '24

Such a horrible image! 🥺

By the way you must be one arrogant POS to consider someone else wrong just because you don't remember or know something. 🙄

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u/joeljaeggli May 18 '24

The original is at the Detroit public library

https://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A151477

Man stands on top of enormous pile of buffalo skulls; another man stands in front of pile with his foot resting on a buffalo skull; rustic cage is at foot of pile. Handwritten on back: "C.D. 1892 Glueworks, office foot of 1st St., works at Rougeville, Mich."

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u/I-am-Chubbasaurus May 17 '24

I'm in the UK and I remember this picture from a textbook.

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u/sliferra May 17 '24

The catacombs of Paris must be a wild place to him then

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u/shoulda-known-better May 17 '24

this picture was definitely in my history book.... I remember being horrified

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u/BluefyreAccords May 17 '24

I want to know what the person that says you can’t stack buffalo bones that high does that gives them authority to make that claim.

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u/texa13 May 18 '24

This pic is absolutely real. I believe there is a similar photo of Buffalo Bill (Cody) after a big buffalo hunt. They literally stood on an open platform car on a train with rifles and gunned down buffalo by the thousands. It was a disgraceful way of culling herds that not only sustained the native Americans but also was beneficial to the native environment. They killed so many they nearly went extinct.

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u/Busy_Response_3370 May 18 '24

Weren't bison stampedes known to cause traffic jams for days because the herd was so big?

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u/Phantom_Wolf52 May 18 '24

Moments like this in human history makes me lowkey wish I was a vampire or werewolf, so I can be separate from humanity

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u/Ishuun May 17 '24

Really didn't expect the dumbest people on the planet to grasp what AI is and be able to accuse things of being generated just because they don't like or agree with it.

It's unfortunate because 61 people in that post think the same thing

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

That is 1000% a real photo. People are loosing touch with reality. Its quite a nerve-cracker...

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u/impaulpaulallen May 18 '24

Wait til he sees how high the Egyptians could stack rocks

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u/Konstant_kurage May 18 '24

Because this is a real fucking photo taken at Michigan Carbon Works, Rougeville, Michigan. 1892. Original photograph is in the Burton Historical Collection, Detroit Public Library. Just greed, not to starve native Americans.

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u/Rug-Inspector May 17 '24

I was also shown that picture about 50 years ago, and was told it was the result of the natives overhunting for generations. In fact, that image represents my home town in Western Canada, also nicknamed “pile-o-bones”.

Edit: that picture is not AI. Nothing was AI 50 years ago. We didn’t even have cell phones back then.

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u/VanillaSarsaparilla May 18 '24

These dumbasses really arguing “I didn’t see it so it doesn’t exist” argument like it’s legitimate 🤦🏾‍♀️

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u/PrairieBiologist May 18 '24

It’s a real photo but there’s actually no evidence that there was ever a systematic attempt by the US government to force to kill the bison to force indigenous people into reservations.

First off, the near eradication of the bison was far more complicated and took place over a longer time line than people often realize as outlined by Dr. Dan Flores in « Bison Ecology and Bison Diplomacy: The Southern Plains from 1800 to 1850 ».

Secondly, the idea that it was a concerted effort was actually a myth spread by a small number of bison hunters to justify their actions after people realized what they had done. The first evidence of these claims are centred around General Sheridan and originate in the 1907 book written by former bison hunter John Cook. Many people didn’t even realize the impact they were having until after it was over. They were still waiting for the next big her to seasonally migrate down from Canada in Miles city long after they were gone. Canada also lost nearly all their bison as well with few to no white hunters taking part.

The lie spread by these few hunters was based around General Sheridan appearing before the Texas legislature to speak against a proposed bill that would have protected bison on the grounds that doing so would prevent the removal of indigenous people. Put simply, this never happened. There is no evidence any such bill was ever proposed in Texas and in fact the Texas legislature was generally very anti conservation at the time. Also there is no evidence that Sheridan ever appeared before the Texas legislature. In fact, he wasn’t even in Texas anytime near the proposed time of such a bill as he left the area in 1866.

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u/justaREDshrit May 17 '24

Those who forget are the one who repeat

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u/ValhallaAir Palming my face May 18 '24

I’m in high school now. It’s in our 20 year old textbooks.

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u/skallywag126 May 18 '24

This one always hurts because it give me the mental image of just fields full of animals as far as you can see. Then the white peoples showed up.

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u/_Californian May 18 '24

Dwight D. Eisenhower, Commanding General of the Allied Forces that defeated Nazi Germany declared: “Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”

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u/Free_Dog_6837 May 18 '24

that's obviously a sarcastic comment about the nature of anecdotal evidence

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u/mchistory21st May 18 '24

I sae this photo in a book when I was a child, ca. 1977. There was no real explanation and I had to know what was going on. Why did these men pose with skulls? Why did they look so proud of themselves?

The answer horrified me. It also made me interested in history. And it also taught me early that the world could be a real shitty place.

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u/Kyoujin16 May 17 '24

I don’t get it what do they understand now?

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u/NatterinNabob May 17 '24

My take is that they are saying that when they were young and in school the idea that humans could be so incredibly cruel seemed beyond belief, but now that they have more experience seeing that cruelty play out in real time, they are much more able to understand the cruelty of the past.

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u/Kyoujin16 May 17 '24

Oh yeah people suck

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u/1singleduck May 17 '24

"I don't remenber this as a kid so you're wrong" is exactly how and why history gets twisted within a generation.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

The total extinction of the American Bison was perpetrated due to the industrial qualities of their hide and their bones. Displacing and systematically murdering the Native people was simply an added bonus in the US’s eyes, as it eliminated one less obstacle for Manifest Destiny to go through. God, 19th Century America was fucked up

Edit: Displacing and eliminating Native Americans from the country may have been the end goal all along.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '24

I don’t remember do you are wrong! 😑

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u/SirChancelot11 May 17 '24

I remember seeing that picture too... And how would it be impossible to stack bones that high?

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u/LeslieH8 May 17 '24

Man, AI is sure sophisticated to be able to send that picture back in time to the 1970s when I first saw that picture.

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u/schprunt May 17 '24

This photo has been around since 1892. I saw it as a kid in England lol

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u/Dernitthebeard May 18 '24

Everyone knows Anecdotal Evidence is the best evidence in all of history.

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u/BeskarHunter May 18 '24

Our society is fucked information wise.

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u/TiePrestigious1986 May 18 '24

Picture is legit. Dumbass is a dumbass

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u/CirothUngol May 18 '24

I remember seeing that photo back in the 1980s before computer image manipulation existed to any real degree. I worry for those that come after us, what are they to believe?

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u/McSnoots May 18 '24

We are so fucked

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u/chikuwa34 May 18 '24

It's depressing to think that "lol it's AI" response to all the things people don't like will become more and more common.

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u/Odd-Cress-5822 May 18 '24

"I went to school in the south, so you're wrong"

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u/ForeverHall0ween May 18 '24

That didn't happen.

And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

And if it was, that's not a big deal.

And if it is, that's not my fault.

And if it was, I didn't mean it.

And if I did, you deserved it.

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u/MrsDanversbottom May 18 '24

People are this dumb? This image is historically known.

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u/Dusty170 May 18 '24

So we're already seeing the 'this isn't real its AI' To classic images huh..

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u/bipbopcosby May 18 '24

That's tiktok comments in a nutshell right there. I don't think I've ever encountered so many stupid people in comments. It's almost like the comments get amplified based on how stupid they are.

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u/NerY_05 May 18 '24

"i don't remember this so you're wrong"

Bitch so if you don't remember the creation of money all of your wealth will just disappear?

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u/Business_While6278 May 18 '24

AI going to change history 👀