r/todayilearned 10d ago

TIL that castrated men do not go bald. Balding is caused by sex hormones which castrated men do not produce.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_hair_loss
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u/SpiceEarl 10d ago

I seem to recall this was discovered by observing a pair of identical twins. One of them had been castrated as he was mentally ill and institutionalized. The other was not mentally ill and hadn't been castrated. As they aged, the non-castrated brother began to lose his hair, while the castrated one still had a full head of hair.

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u/jeebusthesneebus 10d ago edited 9d ago

I think they figured this out first with the castrati singers. Boys were castrated so they could maintain their vocal range.

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u/deminsanity 10d ago

Even earlier, old age philosophers had some strange theories about many things. Alcmaeon of Croton, a natural philosopher of the 5th century BC, thought the brain (opposed to the heart) was the center of many fundamental functions in our bodies, that included the production of semen. He thought semen is produced in the brain and during coitus transported to the penis via the spine.

Back then, the lack of balding could also be observed in castrates (eg slaves). The thought process on that was, because eunuchs never get to "spend" their sperm, it remains in the brain where it stimulates hair growth by "areating" the scalp.

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u/Invoqwer 9d ago

The thought process on that was, because eunuchs never get to "spend" their sperm, it remains in the brain where it stimulates hair growth by "areating" the scalp.

"So anyway Greg, that's why I need you to cum on my head. Thanks bro you're the best."

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u/ThermoNuclearPizza 9d ago

“No problem, former Vice-President Dick Cheney.”

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u/Unexpected-raccoon 9d ago

Little do you know… many high end shampoos and conditioners contained bull sperm for quite a while

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u/Bad-Bot-Bot-23 9d ago

Damn, is that why all my conditioners taste so shitty now?

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u/OffTerror 9d ago

it remains in the brain where it stimulates hair growth by "areating" the scalp.

Alright I see where this is going. Dude had one hell of a reasoning for his fetish I give him that.

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u/Laundry_Hamper 9d ago

a big cummy head of hair

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u/DeeHawk 9d ago

Not always the case however, the last great castrati singer Giovanni Battista Velluti was castrated at 8 years by a doctor as treatment for a cough and high fever.

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u/wonkey_monkey 9d ago

Welp we've tried a cold flannel and that didn't work, better cut of his balls.

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u/DeeHawk 9d ago

To be fair, a high fever was often a death sentence, either due to the fever itself or whatever infection caused it. Antibiosis (later coined antibiotics) wasn't even discovered yet.

They didn't know any better, and they had only just stopped castrating boys to preserve their voices due to a change in morals.

But it is damn hard to relate to in 2024.

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u/Advantius_Fortunatus 9d ago

Honestly, how the fuck could it ever have been considered moral to castrate boys for something as superficial as singing? There’s some moral elasticity through the continuum of history based on cultures at the time, but that particular phenomenon is just mind-boggling.

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u/SagginDragon 9d ago

It’s the same reason a lot of eunuchs were made historically. Consider it from the position of the parents.

You have a child that you can barely feed. He is somewhat decent at singing but you cannot pay for lessons. If he is castrated he will live a life where his food/housing/training will all be provided for by wealthy patrons/the church. He has an opportunity to live a life of riches unimaginable. Would you consider it?

If you look at court eunuchs, it was the same idea. A lot of those eunuchs made the decision to castrate themselves (albeit as adults) for the opportunity to rise in social status and live a better life.

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u/Cormacolinde 9d ago

Except that among castrated children, only a small portion had the required vocal talent in adulthood, the rest became social pariahs anyway.

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u/Crafty_Ad2602 9d ago

It doesn't seem that surprising, given what modern parents do with their (modestly-) talented children today. They put them on fashion shows, take bad singers to singing competitions, force them to practice the violin and the cello and the oboe and the ukulele, make them perform on YouTube, all hoping to get a chance at that big payday.

If there were a market for a hundred castratti to sing in the Vatican today, you'd easily find a hundred times as many parents willing to castrate their children so they could audition as sopranos at 13. Some would be almost good enough to make it but not quite, and be the pariahs. Others, while still earning the title of pariah, would be so bad at singing that you'd wonder what rational parent would ever have chosen to have that child audition as a castratti when they can barely sing.

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u/DeeHawk 9d ago

Singing was not superficial, it was considered highly divine. Religious devotion was usually above everything else. Atheism was just starting in western europe at that time.

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u/tc1991 9d ago

I mean given the amount of cosmetic surgery we have in modern society I'm not really sure that we're in a position to judge - or the way we've decided that concussion in contact sport is not sufficiently a problem to ban football, rugby or boxing

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u/Bison256 9d ago

Ck2 when you ask your doctor for experimental treatments.

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u/4dseeall 9d ago

I think I feel sick

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u/melbbear 10d ago

Twins are so great for experimentation!

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u/saypsychpod 10d ago

*Research

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u/NotAzakanAtAll 10d ago

Twins are so great for experimentation!

--The other twin

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u/Nazamroth 10d ago

Or maybe it was just that an insane man in a padded room is les sstressed than whatever the other one was up to.

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u/wombasrevenge 10d ago

Being in a padded room sounds pretty stressful to me.

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u/resarfs 10d ago

Not for a guy that doesn't know he's locked in a padded room.

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u/house343 10d ago

YOU'LLBEINAPADDEDCELLFOREVER

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u/billyjamesfury 10d ago

Perhaps we can share one

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u/SunlitNight 10d ago

Wait, what? You're stressing me out.

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u/camwhat 10d ago

Antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, sedatives, etc. basically drug someone into complying. Still happens to this day regularly in long term care facilities/nursing homes

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u/radikalkarrot 10d ago

The other brother maybe worked in a call center

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u/alexanderthebait 9d ago

Balding is not caused by stress. It is caused by DHT (a stronger variant of testosterone) attacking hair follicles. Men who go bald have a genetic predisposition for their hair to be sensitive to DHT. This is known science at this point.

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u/ShithEadDaArab 10d ago

They didn’t use this discovery to confirm this theory. This is just what lead them to start researching it further. Eventually the research confirmed the original hypothesis (the hormones you lose when castrated can cause balding and it will not happen in their absence). Obviously stress plays a factor in balding, but it turns out for the same reason as the hypothesis. It can cause an over production of male-related hormones that can expedite balding. But the reason the twin did not lose their hair is because they did not produce these hormones, not because they were less stressed (in fact studies show people that are institutionalized quite often produce more stress hormones than people who are not, on average - in this case due to the castration, increasing hormone production had no effect).

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u/ChuckCarmichael 9d ago edited 9d ago

Given that they chopped his balls off for being mentally ill, I assume this happened quite a long time ago, and being at a mental institution during that era seems pretty terrible. I mean, they chopped his balls off, so that already doesn't sound great in terms of patient care.

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u/ThePennedKitten 9d ago

Not that long ago being mentally ill meant you were treated as subhuman (huge part of why older generations don’t like talking about mental health). It would be very stressful to be committed. Very sad history.

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u/randomista4000 10d ago

Nah they started the castrated guy on TRT and he then started to bald

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u/Zelenskijy 10d ago

True, the sample size is insufficient to conclude😂 Enviromental influence is a huge too.

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u/Inside-Associate-729 10d ago

Wtf mental illness did this guy have, that they felt the need to CASTRATE him ???

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u/Healthy-Collection54 9d ago

In a nutshell, eugenics. To prevent masturbation, to improve behavioral management, and most importantly, to sterilize those who were considered mentally deficient Link

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u/Aloof_Floof1 9d ago

It’s crazy how people get about masturbation

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u/myimmortalstan 9d ago

Yup, and how interesting that it's still a fixation for many people today. Many myths about how masturbation is bad are still pervasive and anti-masturbation communities are growing.

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u/99thSymphony 9d ago

One of them had been castrated as he was mentally ill and institutionalized. The other was not mentally ill and hadn't been castrated.

couldn't have been TOO identical.

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u/DickweedMcGee 10d ago edited 9d ago

Just be aware that castrating yourself will NOT reverse balding that has already occurred.

Edit: I hate that this is now my top comment. Wtf

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u/occorpattorney 10d ago

You couldn’t tell me this before?

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u/poopellar 10d ago

Time to bring out the stapler.

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u/UnpricedToaster 10d ago

And duct tape.

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u/poopellar 10d ago

*flex tape

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u/Tylerdurden389 10d ago

Thats alotta damage!!

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u/Sad-Ad-4024 10d ago

HOW ABOUT A LITTLE MORE

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u/Low_Delay2835 10d ago

Some flexbond and your ready to go

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u/PloppyCheesenose 10d ago

What kind of human turns down a searing blast of hot resin?

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u/uberblack 10d ago

*sex tape

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u/JellyfishFluid2678 10d ago

SNIP SNAP SNIP SNAP

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u/whiteleshy 10d ago

Snipsnap snipsnap snipsnap!

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u/SwarleyThePotato 10d ago

You have no idea the physical toll that three vasectomies have on a person!

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u/ImmortalTimeTraveler 10d ago

How can you forget that real LPT is always in the comments

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u/el_loco_avs 10d ago

I just shaved my head so people can see that I'm FULL of the sex hormones.

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u/Final-Line-6601 10d ago

Now I know what was wrong with prem chopra.

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u/ElectroFlannelGore 10d ago

Correct.

You have to castrate someone else who still has a full head of hair.

Such is the code of the Highlander.

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u/lukeman3000 10d ago

The law of equivalent exchange

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u/ElectroFlannelGore 10d ago

"Trichology: the science of understanding, deconstructing, and reconstructing Hair. However, it is not an all-powerful art; it is impossible to create Luscious Locks out of Finasteride and Minoxidil alone. If one wishes to obtain something, something of equal value must be given...That is the Law of Equivalent Exchange..."

[BANGIN' ANIME INTRO]

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u/georgito555 10d ago

You just need to find the Stylosophist's Stone

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u/Jail_Chris_Brown 9d ago

Baldie, a walking bald head has always been envious of humanity's splendid head of hair.

Great Barber Bradley will shave everyone he comes across.

Trichophagia, a ball of fur with a kitten's head will swallow every hair it comes across.

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u/Algernope_krieger 10d ago

You have to castrate someone else

Half castration, There can only be ONE testicle

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u/RyanBordello 10d ago

There can be only one! man with fantastic hair

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u/johndoe42 10d ago

It can. Studies state that Finasteride (which only reduces scalp DHT, while castration nukes it completely) may halt or reverse hair loss. While it won't regrow a slick bald person that's a 7 on the Norwood scale, regrowth is possible.

But like...no don't do it anyway because it's a coin toss as to whether you respond to Finasteride treatment and there's been no reports of someone coming back from the dead (NW 6-7).

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u/masterofthecork 9d ago

Never heard of the Norwood scale before. TIL I'm a 5, which is better than what most women would rate me.

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u/Masque-Obscura-Photo 9d ago

Me neither. Still a solid 3 after 37 years! (and long hair)

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u/ariadsknees 9d ago edited 9d ago

Hiiiii I'm on Finasteride, Cyproterone Acetate and Estrogen and this is exactly what is happening to me. The DHT is suppressed by the Finasteride and the Cypro is blocking testosterone production entirely to the point of hair regrowth. My hairline has actually recovered from the receding male M-shape to basically a straight line now. This is a pic from when it first started happening: lighter patch is all new growth.

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u/Invoqwer 9d ago

Do you have any side effects from taking all of that??

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u/ariadsknees 9d ago

I mean I have great tits, yeah.

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u/Original-Material301 9d ago

Cons: taking a cocktail of medications and having associated side effects.

Pros: great tits

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u/lowtronik 9d ago

I need some time before answering

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u/Realistic-Egg-5764 9d ago

So all I have to is become a hot lady?

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u/OliviaPG1 9d ago

For trans women most of the “side effects” are more just… effects. It’s kind of the whole point lol

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u/ikefalcon 10d ago

The (high-pitched) voice of experience.

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u/ApexFemboy 10d ago

Castration has to happen very early to retain the higher voice fwiw

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u/ikefalcon 9d ago

I know, but if you ignore that fact, what I said was funny.

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u/zI-Tommy 10d ago

Drugs for transitioning has sometimes reversed it, though

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u/CoercedCoexistence22 10d ago

You're both correct. Sometimes follicles get inactivated by DHT but are not dead yet. Starting antiandrogens in such a context will make some hair grow back

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u/inaripotpi 10d ago

According to the Yale professor/biologist on the trichology episode of the Ologies podcast, all follicles inactivated by DHT are actually still alive and have the potential to be reactivated

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u/RandomDerp96 10d ago

It can to some degree.

The hair follicles go into a dormant state before dying off.

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u/NotUndercoverReddit 10d ago

But if im I get follicle transplant surgery and then remove my balls, I should be all good?

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u/ukjohndoe 9d ago

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

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u/Asha_Brea 10d ago

You can beat genetics that way. If you castrate yourself, you will not pass the balding gen into your children.

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u/poopellar 10d ago

Evolution hates this one simple trick.

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u/officefridge 10d ago

Evolution: honestly, i am so busy making new avian flus and crabs (i fkn love crabs) i don't care if Steve the castrato has kids or not.

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u/Ajdee6 10d ago

Just took your advice, hopefully now my 4 boys dont go bald.

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u/ICumCoffee 10d ago

Darwin is rolling in his grave.

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u/Chronost1 10d ago

Lamarck is laughing his ass off

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u/TryptaMagiciaN 10d ago

Which is unfortunate for his assless children

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u/Mloxard_CZ 10d ago

I got a castration, my son was really confused and against it, but I told him it's for his own good

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u/weedisfortherich 10d ago

Whatever, dad

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u/JuanPancake 10d ago

Only for the ones post castrst

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u/D_hallucatus 10d ago

“We’ve finally discovered the cure for male baldness!”

“That’s amazing news, what is it?”

“… well… you might not like the answer actually”

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u/BrokenAstraea 10d ago

I mean you can just take finasteride to achieve the same thing without the chop chop

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u/sandiercy 10d ago

I don't know, Varys might have something to say about that.

Joking aside, that is very interesting.

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u/W4ldoTruth 10d ago

There’s a fan theory that the reason he shaves his head is because he’s a secret Blackfyre

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u/DoctorDrangle 10d ago

The show fails to portray one of his characteristics from the book which is that he is a master of disguise. I assume he is bald because it is more conducive to his disguises. They completely left this aspect of his character out of the show

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u/twbrn 10d ago

They completely left this aspect of his character out of the show

Making someone plausibly look completely different yet be the same actor is a lot easier when you just have to describe it on a page, rather than actually show it.

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u/edding750paintmarker 10d ago

To be fair, it would've been funny as fuck if his "master disguises" were just him with various wigs.

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u/bulletproofreader 9d ago

*Varys wigs

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u/k0rda 9d ago

Of Varys sizes and colours

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u/mmss 9d ago

I'm picturing an ornate, jewel-encrusted case, filled with poorly made false moustaches

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u/PseudoY 9d ago

What're you gonna do, call out the master of whispers about his lousy disguises?

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u/FUBARded 9d ago

To be even fairer, a high ranked servant of the crown's appearance wouldn't be super familiar to anyone who doesn't spend a lot of time around them, so it's plausible that a decent wig and very different clothes could be an effective disguise for someone in his position.

Be known as the bald guy who behaves and dresses a certain way at work and go out into the world with a wig, dressed very differently, and with different mannerisms and even people semi-familiar with you may not recognise you without further scrutiny.

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u/W4ldoTruth 10d ago

Plus the show already had a lot of characters for people to keep up with. Then you add Varys being a master of disguise to the mix?

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u/Chippiewall 9d ago

I'd be looking forward to Varys giving good news and bad news

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u/KadenKraw 9d ago

OR Gene Parmesan from arrested development.

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u/ProbShouldntSayThat 10d ago

I mean... Arya was swapping faces

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u/twbrn 10d ago

That was like five or six seasons in after they'd already killed 90% of the cast.

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u/SpuriousCorr 9d ago

And she only did it like once or twice, then seemingly forgot how when it was time to go back north lol

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u/UnrealHallucinator 10d ago

Let's not pretend it was some herculean task that couldn't have been achieved lol. What a weird position to take

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u/CustomerComplaintDep 10d ago

They had purple eyes, though, no? I don't think Varys did.

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u/Cbfalbo 10d ago

Tbf the show did away with that concept but in the books I don’t think it’s included.

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u/W4ldoTruth 10d ago

I don’t think his eyes are described in the books but he’s from Lys where people are described as having Valyrian features like purple eyes and silver hair

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u/SolomonBlack 9d ago

Not all Targs did. Daeron the Good married Myriah Martell to unify the Seven Kingdoms and had children both Targ and Dornish in looks. His grandson Egg non insignificantly hid out with a certain hedgeknight by simply shaving his hair because his eyes weren’t obvious.

A Blackfyre living in exile could have any coloring from being fathered on some Tyroshi/Volanti/etc whore. 

And the reverse is true as the blood of Valyria is not as exclusive in the Free Cities, Lys in particular. Hence nobody believes Faegon to be real.

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u/JimBean 10d ago

His was so shiny, must have used a cut throat.

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u/FireZord25 10d ago

Lol I was thinking of Varys when reading this

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u/stelroom 9d ago

Ctrl+F "Varys" Ah there you are.

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u/Due-Ad1337 10d ago

Actually, this confirms that he shaves his head. Varys' hair color would be significant if it were revealed.

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u/ZeroichiEX 10d ago edited 9d ago

Male pattern hair loss appears to be undergoing positive sexual selection in European and Asian populations. [4] Male pattern hair loss may be seen as an expression of masculine sexual dimorphism rather than a disorder. Because of this, it is hypothesized that men with male pattern hair loss may be favored by heterosexual women as mates, because their hair loss is associated with seniority and higher social ranking, giving them increased sexual capital. [4]

Who spread these lies? And can't they spread it faster?

edit: I just got a Reddit Care message. Relax guys I'm not killing myself over this.

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u/whoknowhow 9d ago

My head looks like a ballsack, women love it

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u/ThrillsKillsNCake 9d ago

Well hello Mr Mars Attacks

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u/obeytheturtles 9d ago

I mean reddit can definitely see if an account or IP is sending out a bunch of these messages. We shouldn't even need to report them - reddit should honestly take this form of harassment a lot more seriously than it seems to.

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u/opheodrysaestivus 9d ago

but moderation costs money and companies are just little guys

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u/grumble11 9d ago

This is just an SQL query. An intern could do it in an hour. They’re just lazy.

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u/Subtross 9d ago

And why are they not reaching to women's ears.

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u/LessInThought 9d ago

I don't think I've ever seen a young bald asian man.

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u/minimus_ 9d ago

You probably have but assumed they were older.

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u/ZeroichiEX 9d ago

Well, I'm Indonesian and I started balding at 25. Now at 31 I just fully shaved my head.

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u/VFXBarbie 9d ago

Maybe it’s because Im bisexual and not a heterosexual woman but I have never looked at a man and thought “Hm. He has hair.. damn what a shame. He must be of low social ranking and will provide me with less sexual capital” hahahaha like honestly who writes this things

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u/Cool_Concentrate_391 9d ago

It’s supposedly a subconscious process so you wouldn’t think it. But your general attitude would be related to it. In all honesty it’s bullocks meant to make us balding guys feel better. There’s very little truth behind hit I think

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u/Fulano_MK1 9d ago

It’s supposedly a subconscious process so you wouldn’t think it. But your general attitude would be related to it. In all honesty it’s bullocks meant to make us balding guys feel better. There’s very little truth behind hit I think

It drives me a little bit crazy every time an article or study tries to justify a trait we have with some kind of evolutionary benefit, to make it seem somewhat intentional. Maybe it occurs sometimes, but it seems much more likely to me that half our traits are just side effects and side-effects of side-effects of traits people actually "select" for in a mate.

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u/ItsAFarOutLife 9d ago

The thing is, if it was random why wouldn’t DHT affect all hair? Balding men can still have facial and body hair.

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u/death_by_chocolate 10d ago

"Your hair or your balls." Where is your God now?

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u/GalaXion24 10d ago

Hair or balls

You much choose

For one you shall keep

And one you shall lose

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u/ComradeHappiness 10d ago

These saw movies are getting weirder and weirder

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u/Roxnami 9d ago

« Before you is a snowman, and a carrot. You can put the carrot on the snowman’s nose, which would unlock the key. You can also put it on the snowman’s crotch, which admittedly would be pretty funny, but would also… you know. »

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u/Graphic_Materialz 10d ago

So simple. Why didn’t I think of that?

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u/toomanyyorkies 10d ago

It does make me wonder, what if instead of getting the snip, you went one step further and got prosthetic testicles like the ones they add after removing a cancerous ball.

No more balding?

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u/pale_sand 10d ago

Having no sex hormones is no fun, you are tired all the time & you get osteoporosis. If you cut your balls off you'd still want to get your testosterone in through injections for example, which would make you lose your hair, which is what happens to trans men who get hrt. That is unless you want the fat distribution of a woman & gynecomastia, which I guess most men don't (and osteoporosis, and losing all your muscle mass, and...).

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u/TheGhostOfBobStoops 9d ago

You can just take finasteride…it blocks the conversion of testosterone to DHT, which is the hormone responsible for hair loss.

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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow 10d ago

Costanza was punching way above his weight class.

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u/dick-nipples 10d ago

So bald guys like me are sex gods, got it.

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u/pawnografik 10d ago

Yup. Don’t believe what they say. You’ve still got it Dick-Nipples.

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u/Smartalec821 10d ago

Hahaha I was so c9nfused by that at first

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u/purportedlypie 10d ago

It's the same mechanism as a silverback gorilla - show that you've been around the block and are ready to fuck

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u/Optimal-Menu270 9d ago

You, Johnny Sins and more are sex gods

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u/miss_kateya 10d ago

"What's with all the hair, buddy? Got no balls?"

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u/TheOzman21 9d ago

This killed me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this wasn't supposed to get me this hard.

Edit: okay don't write my first sentence or Reddit reaches out to you 😭

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u/Zev95 10d ago

You can have hair or you can have heir, but not both.

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u/HunkMuffinJr 9d ago

This comment is wildly underrated

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u/KRed75 10d ago edited 10d ago

It's really more about the hair follicles than it is about testosterone. A man high in testosterone may have hair follicles that aren't bothered by the testosterone so they retain their hair. A man with low testosterone may have hair follicles that can't handle even the low level of testosterone and start losing their hair in their teens.

Then there are hairs such as beard and pubic hairs that don't react in the same way to testosterone.

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u/bettinafairchild 10d ago

It’s about both. There are two components to male pattern baldness—you have to have a gene for baldness and then you have to have the hormones to cause the baldness in the people with the genes. Women have the same baldness genes that men do but they don’t usually go bald in the same way men do because they don’t have the testosterone. And men who have lots of T but not the genes don’t go bald.

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u/tbells93 10d ago

Its also why women who lose their hair, it will happen post-menopause. The loss of estrogen production causes the amount of testosterone they do produce to have more of an effect.

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u/Feisty_Attempt_6370 9d ago

My totally bald grandfather got some hormonal therapy for his cancer that increased his estrogen levels and he got a lot of hair back on his scalp but also some other side effects.

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u/Herecomestheginger 10d ago

Very interesting! This answers my question I've had for years about a trans man I knew who developed baldness. 

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u/_Stella___ 9d ago

It's because of DHT not testosterone directly. That's why finasteride also stops it

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u/The-Copilot 10d ago

Then there are hairs such as beard and pubic hairs that don't react in any way to testosterone.

Beard, pubic and body hair production is started by testosterone.

Iirc the way testosterone binds to hair follicle to start hair growth and stop it is a very similar process, and they aren't exactly sure why it starts vs stops it.

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u/Esarus 9d ago

It’s not testosterone that causes it, it’s dihydrotesterone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrotestosterone

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u/YareYareDaze7 10d ago

"I know what I have to do. But I don't know if I have the strength to do it"

"The hardest choices require the strongest wills"

"I am sorry little one"

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u/rainmouse 10d ago

Also interesting is that trans men can suddenly discover they have male pattern baldness after undergoing hormone replacement therapy. 

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u/arbitrageME 10d ago

lol getting the full male experience.

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u/Cuchullion 9d ago

"Not like this... not like this..."

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u/Pekonius 10d ago

Yeah. Its just testosterone that causes it. Idk why the the article tries to be so vague about it with the "sex hormones". Similarly trans women will stop balding when they go on hrt. Because it includes testosterone blockers.

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u/Uturuncu 9d ago

This is one of the things I'm gonna get to learn once I go on T. My mother's family all died with full heads of hair, no balding. My father? Started balding during puberty. That's a real fun roulette wheel to spin; did I inherit my Dad's male pattern baldness or not?

Good thing I'm pretty chill with a shaved head.

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u/Honestnt 9d ago

And inversely trans women basically switch off the gene when they start E.

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u/Tradition96 9d ago

It’s not the E that does the ”switch off”, but rather the testosterone blockers.

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u/vosqueresenye 9d ago

In sufficient doses E alone is enough to supress testosterone without using blockers

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u/tooshortpants 10d ago

can confirm, 6 years in and getting real thin up top! honestly a relief though. no more barber and one less thing to worry about. buzz it & forget about it.

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u/texrygo 10d ago

I felt the same at first. I now miss the option of having hair. At least I’ve saved money just buzzing it myself.

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u/Reninngun 10d ago

Yeah, option is freedom. Even if you do not choose the other option available. It gives a certain peace of mind having it.

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u/Salinase929 10d ago

Well what happened to Varys?

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u/TheDevlinSide714 10d ago

As a now-bald guy who used to have a glorious mane of thick, dark, beautiful hair that actually, literally, got me laid on at least 2 occasions, but now lives a completely sexless, depressed life, this post has both offended and upset me.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go wash my chilly scalp, avoid looking in the mirror at all costs, and process the fact that no matter what I did with my life, I was still gonna wind up here, dry as a bone with a cue ball noggin.

...fuck

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u/jumpjumpdie 10d ago

What an annoying dichotomy

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u/NotUndercoverReddit 10d ago

So all this time I could have just got rid of my balls and avoided possible pregnancies while also protecting the fullness of my follicles? We have been lied to!

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u/bettinafairchild 10d ago

Yeah but the whole reason to have a lush head of hair is to attract the ladies and that’s when you’ll need your bald back. It’s a catch-22! Or maybe a Gift of the Magi!

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u/trident_hole 10d ago

So, cut off testicles and don't go bald or keep them and go bald/have crazy insecurities about being bald if not good with self-esteem....

Quite the quandary.

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u/WhoAm_I_AmWho 9d ago

Or... block DHT (DiHydroTestosterone) using something like finesteride as DHT is the hormone that causes hair loss, not testosterone itself.

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u/WhenTardigradesFly 10d ago

kind of a good news/bad news situation...

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u/MasonSoros 10d ago

I love my balls more than my hair. So no thank you.

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u/thebohemiancowboy 10d ago

New Strat just dropped

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u/Mindless_Nebula4004 9d ago

Unlike the balls

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u/greenappletree 10d ago

So that’s a one way to cure male baldness.

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u/Simonic 9d ago

I guess that explains my full head of hair.

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u/Phemto_B 9d ago

They also live longer. Prior to 20th century the list of centenarians was dominated by eunuchs and castrati.

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u/jurainforasurpise 9d ago

Please let the "alpha" males who think everything is gay know asap!!